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IBM is famous for charging people for the privilege of talking to them, even if you're trying to sell them something. This strategy makes sense if you consider that even in it's heyday Watson was 95% data science consulting firm and 5% actual valuable technology. I really think Watson is one of the biggest tech marketing bamboozles of the 21st century. Through Jeopardy they really had a segment of the business world…

Kindah like Palantir

Can you expand?

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>that GPs in particular would be replaced by a lower-cost Watson descendant Everybody is trying to replace GPs (and even specialists) with AI. But I've experienced a massive issue in healthcare that does not need an AI, just a good database. I was prescribed intensive imunorepresive therapy... and they forgot to put me on preventative antibiotics. If there was a very simple IF on my prescription (if Medrol > 16mg &&…

> If there was a very simple IF on my prescription

This was supposed to be solved by rule-based/expert systems in the 1980s AI bubble.

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Turns out advertising at every tennis major can't make you a leader in analytics, ML and basic managed services.

What data was it using again? The blood panel your doctor orders every one to two years? Medical diagnosis is a trivial problem for machine learning to beat humans. Humans are terrible at this. The problem is there is not even the concept of high frequency medical data. Imagine machine learning in quant stock trading with samples once a year. Of course it isn't going to work. The problem is all in the externalities.…

I agree with this so strongly. The medical gatekeeping is absolutely absurd. I can't remember the last time I learned something from a doctor that I hadn't already learned myself with a quick online search. For every visit in the past decade or longer they either told me what I already knew or we were both stumped.

If drives me crazy that I can't make my own decisions about my own health, even for trivial cases. I've spent countless hours and dollars going to pointless doctor visits just to get a routine refill. Literally the conversation at most of these visits is as simple as me telling the doc that everything is fine with $medA, lets just keep it the same; followed by the doctor saying sure and writing me a new script. Such a massive inefficient waste of time.

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OTOH the average startup is garbage held together with duct tape that naturally falls apart without the founding team who created it. By the time of acquisition it’s usually reached a point of technical debt bankruptcy. This goes hand-in-hand with an over-heated sales team pushing hockey-stick growth that will crash back down when those brand-new customers churn at the next renewal - because the product, while nice-l…

> This goes hand-in-hand with an over-heated sales team pushing hockey-stick growth This seems like just another argument for limiting startup acquires. Perhaps if a big exit wasn't the goal, the company would focus on more long term viability. Anyway, I don't think they big companies care as much about whether they destroy value, as long as they destroy a potential competitor.

It's not just the company internally that want (needs?) those big exits, the whole VC architecture is built around shot gunning out money for the occasional huge pay off.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Part of the job, as stipulated by medical regulators around the world, is keeping up-to-date with evidence. This can be achieved by reading journals and attending conferences, in theory. But.... journal publishers exploit their monopolies, and conferences are funded by corporate sponsors. So perhaps they're not so different.

Medical conferences basically would not exist if it wasn't for suppliers and drug companies paying for sponsorships, trade show booths, opportunities to speak, etc. Not really any different than any industry's trade conferences.

Sounds just like every technology conference I've ever been to. A bunch of software and hardware vendor booths, and most of the speakers being authors hawking their latest books.

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I worked for a large e-commerce company. I wanted to investigate putting all our support data into Watson and see what sort of recommendations it could provide, maybe a sort of auto-suggestion to help our customers. Three really funny points stand out from the experience: 1) To apply for Watson access you needed to show C-level approval, so our CEO put his name and phone number on the application (trying Watson was s…

The company I worked for used some Oracle tech and I was trying to get some high level information about a product but their website kept requesting my e-mail just to show me some documentation. Once I provided them with my e-mail, I started receiving "You must take us to your leader" messages in a tone as if I was their employee and they were commanding me to take them to my CEO. I can't imagine myself chasing the C…

> You must take us to your leader.

LOL, it sounds like General Zod in Superman II (1981). You should have asked if they want you to kneel before them as well.

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It's worth noting that the higher tiers of nurses have at least a masters degree, and like more time working than a doctor spends in residency. They are highly trained/skilled professionals.

I would guess that most people entering NP programs at this point have less than 3 years of work experience as a nurse, a job where you are not diagnosing, coming up with treatment plans, performing procedures or doing any other physician tasks. I don't know if 500hrs of shadowing after a 2yr part-time online only program that you don't need any nursing degree or experience to enter would count as highly trained or s…

Why are all the universities on board for this? All these midlevel degrees are devaluing their own medical schools.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Who could have seen it coming? IBM created a machine that could win at Jeopardy, not a universal expert or problem solver. Say what you want about Google, but they didn't claim to solve any practical problems by creating AlphaZero.

Tbf IBM didn't either when deep blue beat kasparov

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A freelance GP (waarnemend huisarts) in the Netherlands makes on average 65 euros per hour... It pays better to be a freelance software engineer. Less education required, less responsibilities, impact of mistakes is also usually less.

USA has an extremely inefficient system of training for doctors which wastes literally years of human potential. First you go to university from 18-22 but not even 2/3rds of the year. The rest of the year is some level of waste for most students. You often purposefully dumb down and study less rigorous subjects than an engineer because you need all top grades to be get into medical school and can't risk it. Then medi…

Dutch system is quite similar: 3 years bachelor, 3 years masters, including 18 months coschappen (residency), and then 3 years of specialization to GP (other specializations take longer). (https://universitaire.bachelors.nl/faq/ik-wil-dokter-worden/)

Many specializations come with very low job opportunities, being a GP is very stressfull: low paid assembly line type of work, a GP is expected to see 6 patient per hour, do home visits, follow up with patients and hospitals, and run a practice, manage employees, follow lots of trainings, etc. Having your own practice as a GP is not very popular any more, a lot of GP just want to freelance part time, not having the additional stress of running a practice.

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They make sure enterprises can run Linux that doesn’t “suddenly” (read: with less than 2-3 years notice) break their critical workflows because some component loses support or some dependency reaches EOL - they do this by extended maintenance, backporting (security) patches to old versions, providing tailored support etc. This is very valuable to enterprises and so they pay a lot for it. For example, you can still ru…

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