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Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by StevePerkins »

maxbond wrote: post #409
StevePerkins wrote: post #359

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I don't think the criticism is of Tauri. As far as I can tell from their website, THEY aren't promoting THEMSELVES on the basis of their implementation language being the #1 feature. I think the criticism/meme is directed more at overly enthusiastic fans of Rust. Even if a project doesn't promote itself as "Written in Rust!" , that's how it gets promoted online by the fanboys. It IS a substantial criticism, as genera…

I understand it wasn't about Tauri specifically, but I still think it's instructive. The implication is, no one does anything serious in Rust, they only post half-baked projects on HN for karma. Which falls pretty flat in a thread about project that's been actively worked on for two years, wouldn't you say? People are actually building stuff in Rust because they have, for whatever reason, decided they care about that…

> "Entering the conversation just to let everyone know you don't care is tiresome and gratuitous."

No one broadly commenting on the "... written in Rust!" meme is saying that they "don't care". They are saying that they DO care. About the clout-chasing aspect, going unchallenged, clogging up a generally high-quality forum with what amounts to spam or clickbait.

If you get a lot of spam in your email inbox, you would take a dim view toward the pompous admonition, "If you are are not interested in homeopathic erectile dysfunction pills, then you are free to scroll onward and leave it to those who are". In the case of a message you DO happen to be interested in, you would still right to discourage the use of clickbait tactics or dark patterns with that message.

BOTTOM LINE: Either the topic of this this post is "Tauri", or the topic of this post is "Rust".

* If the topic is Tauri, then the clickbait meme detracts from the topic (I note with interest that the Tauri project itself does NOT promote itself on the basis of its implementation language).

* If the topic of this post is Rust, then well... I honestly think you'd be better served promoting a single "Look at all of these 'serious' projects written in Rust!" post, rather than sidejacking a myriad of topics individually in a clickbaity manner.

Either way, if you don't care about the spam/clickbait criticisms that always arise in these threads, then I invite you to leave that discussion to those who are interested.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by Per_Bothner »

Per_Bothner wrote: post #380
flohofwoe wrote: post #73

Here's a similar, older and slightly less hipster project for Go, C, C++ (and more languages via C-API bindings): https://github.com/webview/webview ...I wouldn't go as far as calling a simple WebView widget wrapper an "Electron alternative" though.

For DomTerm ( https://bothner.org ) I've used both webview/webview and wry (on Linux only) - and both are usable. The main problem with webview is that it is semi-abandoned (last checkin was in March) and the features set is pretty minimal. Wry is actively developed and has more features. However, the wry-based executable is quite a bit bigger than the webview-based one. And of course leaning to use Rust is an issue.

Oops: For the record, DomTerm is https://domterm.org, while bothner.org is (I believe) some unrelated German family. (My personal/family website is bothner.com.)

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by maxbond »

StevePerkins wrote: post #421
maxbond wrote: post #409

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I understand it wasn't about Tauri specifically, but I still think it's instructive. The implication is, no one does anything serious in Rust, they only post half-baked projects on HN for karma. Which falls pretty flat in a thread about project that's been actively worked on for two years, wouldn't you say? People are actually building stuff in Rust because they have, for whatever reason, decided they care about that…

> "Entering the conversation just to let everyone know you don't care is tiresome and gratuitous." No one broadly commenting on the "... written in Rust!" meme is saying that they "don't care". They are saying that they DO care. About the clout-chasing aspect, going unchallenged, clogging up a generally high-quality forum with what amounts to spam or clickbait. If you get a lot of spam in your email inbox, you would…

"This topic is overvalued in the marketplace of ideas" is equivalent to "I don't care about this idea."

The problem with spam is that it is involuntary and fraudulent. The thing about articles on Rust is that participation is voluntary, and the claims they are only for clout are untrue, as I've argued.

I'd be curious what your answers to my thought experiments are.

ETA: I apologize for making you feel admonished, that wasn't my intention. I'm really not interested in criticizing you or anyone as people, but the behavior and the sentiment behind it. My intention wasn't to throw mud, but to hold up a mirror and show how this message is received; I did my honest best to compose a convincing counter argument, and the reaction I was going for was, "Gee, I hadn't thought of it that way", and not, "This jerk is calling me out."

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by fault1 »

Hasu wrote: post #378
cpuguy83 wrote: post #290

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As someone who uses Safari on Mac, I can say that compatibility issues are a big deal. Granted many of the issues are simply from sites checking for Chrome and telling everything else to f--- off. I've even seen a site fail to run on (chromium) Edge because it really wanted Chrome. However, real compatibility issues are a thing as well. That said, I hate electron. I hate that I have to run 4-5 instances of chrome on…

You are correct that Safari has major compatibility issues, but incorrect that the problem is simply that developers target Chrome (it happens sometimes, sure). Most things that work in Chrome also work in Firefox, but WebKit is ~10 years behind both Firefox and Chrome because Apple hasn't invested in keeping up to date with web APIs where their competitors have. Hell, even Edge (before it adopted Chromium) was more…

Personally, I think the last few versions of Safari have caught up a lot.

Safari development does seem to go through spurts, depending on who is working at Apple. Let's not forget that in the past, it's been a major driver of web innovation, particularly in the late 2000s to early 2010s.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by fault1 »

ummonk wrote: post #382
forgotmyoldacc wrote: post #3

If anyone wants to know how it works: > [leverages] WebKit on macOS, WebView2 on Windows and WebKitGTK on Linux. So cross-platform compatibility isn't guaranteed, unlike Electron. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri

And here I was hoping it would use Servo.

Servo is kind of dead, no? I'm not sure anyone is working on it for their day job, at least.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by chana_masala »

dylan604 wrote: post #236
SavantIdiot wrote: post #214

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Drake turning away: ElectronJS 0.06GB app Drake approving: Any modern game requiring 100GB of content

The meme is bad, but seeing it as text is even worse.

I like it a lot this way actually, haha.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by chana_masala »

SavantIdiot wrote: post #214
Simplicitas wrote: post #195

Rust and Electron haters can do all the hating within this one post here.

Drake turning away: ElectronJS 0.06GB app Drake approving: Any modern game requiring 100GB of content

As a meta reply - it's quite funny to see this meme in textual form.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by tata71 »

xialvjun wrote: post #414
danielheath wrote: post #379

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IE still had released, but it stopped moving forward after 6 because there was no longer a good reason for ms to invest. I doubt google would spend much on chrome if no other browser were popular.

But chromium is opensource. Even if google stop devoting to chrome, we can develop it. In fact, I think Mozilla should turn to chromium too like Microsoft, just be aware of keeping the licence open.

Dear Mozilla:

Fork Chromium.

Love, Your Old Users

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by throw10920 »

strokirk wrote: post #374
throw10920 wrote: post #315

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Have you tried Obisdian(.md)? It seems relatively speedy and low-RAM for an Electron app ("only" ~150 MB without plugins).

Obsidian is pretty sluggish on my computer, especially when scrolling even short documents. But that's probably possible to improve in the future and no fault of Electron. As a comparison, VS Code is super snappy even on very large documents.

Huh, that's super interesting. Well, VSCode, for me, at least, uses way more memory than Obsidian. I believe you that it's faster, I'm just very confused (and curious) as to why...

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by salmo »

bananabreakfast wrote: post #344
skinkestek wrote: post #277

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> I'm not entirely sure how I feel about this statement (and comparison to IE). If anything, Safari is "the new IE" rather than Chrome. Some people who either don't know history or willfully ignores it keeps claiming that Safari is the new IE, at one point one even made a webside out of it. Don't fall for it. Chrome is the new IE: - technologically advanced? Check! - implement a number of things without asking or wai…

I can't believe you seriously just suggested Google is going to abandon Chrome. Next up, Microsoft is going to abandon Word. Also, Facebook is going to abandon Facebook. This is why no one takes these conversations seriously. All vitriol, no substance.

I wouldn’t be shocked to see MS abandon Word or Facebook (erm Meta) abandon Facebook in the same sense Google would abandon Chrome.

Sure, some piece of software will have that name, but it won’t be aggressively developed like MS abandoned IE a few times.

I also won’t be shocked if Word or Facebook are like Edge where it’s a new different thing with an old name.

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