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Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Post by olivermarks »

pyuser583 wrote: post #418
zacmps wrote: post #398

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This is not at all how journalism works. Journalism requires editorial freedom, who pays the bills should have literally no impact on reporting; this is true even when with meta coverage of the publication or owner in question. Anything else is not journalism.

Kind of … more and more journalism outfits are going towards non-profit status. That usually involves some sort of ideological position: National Review is neoconservative, Jacobite is far left, n+1 is progressive. That’s not really what we usually mean by news, but that’s the mode being adopted by many news outlets.

The UK Guardian is an interesting example of a highly ideological oped/news spin organization that relies heavily on the readers it influences to fund itself, which has been quite successful recently after hemorrhaging cash and readers previously under its 'run by a trust' model. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Trust_Limited

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Post by dirtyid »

adamc wrote: post #18

I am curious what Canadians think of this argument. Does it seem true? It's hard for me, a USA resident who doesn't follow the CBC, to really evaluate.

>This happened in the span of about 18 months. My own politics did not change.

CBC does lean liberal. There's idpol drama, but it predates her timeline. Honestly looks like she's manufacturing a story to push her book / substack / fishing for conservative media eyeballs, which is basically most of private Canadian media that still has money.

But being privy to too much CBC goss in my social circle, I just want to say she's full of shit simply because CBC has had drama/tensions over idpol for years. Well over 18 months ago. There is almost zero chance she's even in the realm of being "furthest left" in the newsroom hearing shit I've heard from before her first published article on her CBC profile. And given her body of work at CBC is consisted almost entirely of mediocre listicles, I can understand the desire to attention merchant over more profitable cultural wars.

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Post by Manuel_D »

VictorPath wrote: post #285
CoastalCoder wrote: post #76

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> The strong opposition to diversity efforts has been a pretty common trait associated with the tech community/silicon valley. I'm surprised to hear that. My impression was that D&I initiatives are far more prevalent in tech/SV companies than elsewhere. I probably got that from personal experience + news about Google (Damore), Facebook, etc. But maybe in reality D&I has become commonplace in many U.S. companies, and…

> My impression was that D&I initiatives are far more prevalent in tech/SV companies than elsewhere Well of course, blacks in the US are over 12% of the population and are 12% of the L5s in FAANG companies. Which of course is not the case - less than 2% of Facebook's technical workers in the US are black, 3% of Google overall is black etc. It's clear that diversity is not prevalent at all in Google, Facebook etc.

I think saying that "diversity is not prevalent at all" at these companies is being simplistic. Google's technical workforce is 50% white and 50% racial minority [1]. Facebook is similar. Granted, most of the latter is Asian and not Black or Latin.

On my team we have one Anglo American, one Cuban (me, and I consider myself white as my family is mostly Spanish, and I'm typically regarded as such by society), one Vietnamese, and one Indian. Are you really going to say that there's no diversity in this group because we lack representation from two specific continents? The fact that everyone is from different countries, thousands of miles apart isn't diversity enough? Unless "diversity" entirely a function the presence of people of African and South American descent, I fail to see how Google, Facebook, and my team are not diverse.

https://diversity.google/annual-report/representation/#metho...

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Post by inglor_cz »

SavantIdiot wrote: post #308
inglor_cz wrote: post #185

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All racial classification schemes in the Western world are running against the wind of interracial marriage. Mixed kids of the "25 per cent Lithuanian, 25 per cent Arab, 25 per cent Mexican and 25 per cent Japanese" type are becoming ever more common and the narrow racial classification into old fashioned racial boxes is unable to categorize them with any kind of precision. In that case, either you revert to the "one…

That's one way to look at it, if you want to radically oversimplify the problem. Another way to look at it is there currently exists very clear discrimination practices based other vectors (income, geography, history). System racism is intersectional. Arguing that it is "all or nothing" is another tactic to erase the existence of discrimination. This fallacy is often deployed intentionally.

Of the things you mentioned, income and geography is actually much easier to classify objectively than history and race. As an added bonus, income-based social policies would not throw poor people with certain ethnic backgrounds onto the "won't help, are privileged" pile. Poverty is crushing for everyone.

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Post by hk__2 »

akomtu wrote: post #393
hk__2 wrote: post #195

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> irrelevant relative to the individual person's life, ideas, experiences, ability to express themselves etc. I’m not sure I get you here. Of course race and gender have a huge impact on a person’s life, and thus on their ideas, experiences and ability to express themselves. White men virtually never experience racism or sexism, whereas women and/or Black people are reminded about their identity every day. All women…

Who are those "white men"? Jews, italians, chinese? Where's the whiteness line drawn?

This is irrelevant to the point. The definition of those "white mens" varies according to the place or the time [1] but the point doesn’t change.

[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/12/opinion/colum...

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Post by raxxorrax »

nefitty wrote: post #123
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #30

Except at political groups to which I belong, I am almost always the left-most person in the room. The Lefts greatest weakness is an enthusiasm for splintering over small matters of doctrine. Identity politics, tribalism over principle, virtue signaling, whatever fad this is, it's deeply hurting progress.

Peter Thiel (gay man), Caitlyn Jenner (trans woman) and Kanye West (black man) all publicly support Donald Trump. It's not identity that's the issue, it's economic inequality. Even as part of marginalized groups, these people's vast wealth allowed them the luxury to support a man who did not have marginalized group's best interests in mind. If I was rich and wanted to take over a local government, I would channel my…

The best way to live as a minority is advocating for civil liberties because they would profit as well. But the opposition to Trump failed here spectacularly and just blamed everything on Russia. With their childish attempts to block diverging opinions you will never make a good case for inclusion, diversity or minorities. The whole of DEI is little mroe than an extortion scheme at this point and I can fully understand people in a dire economic situation voting for Trump.

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Post by raxxorrax »

onemoresoop wrote: post #236
david38 wrote: post #141

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This. IMO, most of the culture was a distraction from what really matters. People are up in arms on TV over who can claim to be a woman, but meanwhile, the concentration of wealth and economic power and worse than even the guided age. If the bottom 50% of the population (economically) united on JUST this topic, they would see massive change - better structured education, housing, health, etc. Instead we get what I ca…

I share a similar opinion. Everything and every group's voice should be heard at some point but not in a more divisive manner and to the detriment of attention to the immediate problems that affect us all in the most serious ways: housing, healthcare, wages, political corruption, conflicts of interest, and so on. We're in very bad shape and a risk major collapse. If we continue down this path we'll see homelessness a…

To treat people differently is in the poor handbook of middle management. It creates resentment towards those with preferential treatment. This is pretty basic knowledge in psychology and that is why I cannot really believe in the good intend of academics selling idpol. They do it for themselves and themselves alone.

Perfect for manipulation, extremely potent as a union buster or to kill movements like occupy wallstreet.

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Post by ILMostro7 »

boppo1 wrote: post #296
ILMostro7 wrote: post #117

Yeah, those abolishinists and civil rights protesters were very unpopular. These "woke extremists" are not sympathetic to how most people around me feel about them.

Abolitionists and civil rights protestors had more clearly defined 'win' conditions. What is the end goal for 'woke extremists'? A person who was previously my friend could not articulate it to me. He said 'when white supremacy is gone' and then regularly leveled that label at every single thing you can think of, including Netflix, my parents, museums, and more. I have heard that "discomfort is part of the process" b…

Yup, cause Civil Rights problem was solved with a law, and black people got exactly what they wanted. Before you start dissecting the argument piecemeal, just pointing out that it's difficult to tell arrogance from ignorance these days no matter what the issue is and on what side one stands. Simply dig in and hold on tight! ;). But what do I know, merely another down-vote in an online echo chamber disguised as Zeitgeist and further eroding critical thinking.

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Post by lazyasciiart »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #212
lazyasciiart wrote: post #169

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Maybe for you, but I don't know what pronoun to use to refer to someone named Xie that I have never met, and it's not exactly unusual for it to come up in email discussions.

I dont understand. You do the thing we have been doing a hundred years. "They"

I was addressing the parent comment that said it's pretty obvious what to use, which I interpreted as being able to identify whether someone should be referred to as he or she. I agree that 'they' is the solution when you don't know, but I don't think that's what the parent comment was trying to say.
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