Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada) • Hacker News Board

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by mannanj » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 10:06 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #123

guidovranken wrote: post #58

In other festive COVID news from Canada: >Canada's Justin Trudeau on the unvaccinated: >“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?" https://twitter.com/KevinBardosh/status/1476838517007257600 My patience with COVID cultists is starting to run quite thin.

My dad spent his life working in public health, including vaccinations. “Doesn’t believe in science and progress” and “very often misogynistic and racist” is how Trudeau would describe your typical villager in Asia or Africa—the people my dad spent a lifetime serving. But Trudeau’s unrelated moral crusades are utterly irrelevant to the issue of public health, and he’s deeply damaging the public health effort by tryin…

Its more of the same tactic in politics as used by chief nazi propagandists: "Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred."

It still surprises me how efficiently all our worlds leaders shifted blame from them for our shitty covid health response to the unvaccinated as though the vaccine was available from the beginning.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by mannanj » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 10:06 PM UTC

Its more of the same tactic in politics as used by chief nazi propagandists: "Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred."

It still surprises me how efficiently all our worlds leaders shifted blame from them for our shitty covid health response to the unvaccinated as though the vaccine was available from the beginning.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by dang » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 10:09 PM UTC

NoblePublius wrote: post #188

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #80

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Wait, do I understand this correctly that because you have heard of cases happening in vaccinated people, without studying them as broad populations, you think there isn’t a statistical difference in vaccinated and unvaccinated people as a population? Why?

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Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by mannanj » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 10:11 PM UTC

micromacrofoot wrote: post #111

theodorejb wrote: post #31

It seems we are heading in a direction where those who don't take the jab will be blocked from receiving government services, prevented from patronizing various businesses, and even restricted from traveling and the ability to work. Are most citizens really okay with this medical apartheid, or are they afraid of speaking out against it?

apartheid was a racist policy that discriminated against people based on their skin color… you’re comparing this to mandating a vaccine that dramatically reduces the hospitalization rate during an international pandemic that has killed more than 5 million people in 2 years

Are you really straw manning the poster? to say "racism" cannot be compared to covid discrimination and that making the comparison makes him or his argument any “less than” is an emotional character assassination based argument not merits based one.

If you’re looking for a response to your numbers that you pulled out, we still have many worse diseases and our leaders economic policies during covid impacted and hurt more people than the “5 million dead”

I also didn’t see you or anyone complaining about the obesity; diabetes, car crashes; depression and other far worse epidemics that we’ve had induced by our same shitty health agencies that sell us the covid cure today.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by 29083011397778 » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 10:15 PM UTC

tonfreed wrote: post #208

xxpor wrote: post #76

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It's amazing that the unvaccinated are being blamed for the vaccine not working. I mean, look at BC in Canada where the most at-risk people have a vaxx rate of 99%+ and overall rate of ~90% for the rest of the eligible population, the government still saw fit to shut it all down 3 days before Christmas. Compliance doesn't ensure freedom.

That's because hospitals are still too full. If my grandmother has a heart attack, or your brother gets hit by a drunk driver around New Years, that person will need healthcare.

And while ~80% of the eligible population has been vaccinated, the 18% of the population that's unvaccinated is responsible for 67% of hospitalizations, and nearly 80% of ICU admissions [0]. Note for the source - while it's fun to play with and look around, I'm sourcing my numbers from the Doughnut Charts section

[0] http://www.bccdc.ca/health-professionals/data-reports/covid-...

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by dang » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 10:16 PM UTC

xxpor wrote: post #76

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Please keep tedious generic flamewar off this site. It's repetitive and usually turns nasty. No one does it out of curiosity, therefore it's off topic here - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29758737.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by ukj » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 10:18 PM UTC

seneca wrote: post #270

MiroF wrote: post #213

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This is absurd authoritarian double talk. That's like saying you're free to speak your mind, but you're also free to be executed for it. The government punishing you for an action you take (including indirectly, but purposefully) is a pretty good starting point for a definition of not being free to do it.

That is pretty absurd anti-authoritarian double talk also. Comparing being fired with being executed.

The government isn’t punishing you because you broke a law - your employer (who happens to be the government) fired you for failing to adhere to conditions of employment.

There is literally nothing the government (in any of its capacities) can do to you which would toggle your vaccination status without your consent. Your employer will (dis)incentivise you accordingly towards exercising their freedom of association, but they can’t stick a needle in your arm.

Irrespective of how we define “medical freedom” (because I don’t particularly care about definitional combat) the government NOT handcuffing me and sticking a needle in my arm against my will is precisely how I expect my medical autonomy to work in practice.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by inglor_cz » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 10:18 PM UTC

huntertwo wrote: post #391

Is there room for those of us who believe the mRNA vaccines are effective at reducing transmission and severe disease yet don’t want to relegate our fellow citizens to second class status for not wanting to inject themselves with something they’re not sure about? We seem all too ready to ruin the lives of those who don’t want the jab.

I am of similar persuasion.

Previously Covid-infected, two Pfizers in me, scheduled for the booster on Wednesday, but I definitely feel that forcing people into vaccination by economic and political pressure is going to backfire. If the root problem is lack of trust, use of force will likely make it worse.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by inglor_cz » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 10:20 PM UTC

Radim wrote: post #300

mercy_dude wrote: post #175

Where is the court system? The court system has been very much in lines with these stupidities we have been seeing around mandates and so on, which makes me make a much more cynical claim. Leaders like Justin Trudeau don’t give a damn about science/progress and public health and well being for example. If they did, we wouldn’t be this far along the crisis and still be talking about this. My thinking is they are setti…

It's pretty short-sighted, too. I was born and lived under one rule of tyranny (communist Czechoslovakia), and the legal & judicial professions suffered tremendously there. In fact, they were among the first to go, replaced by something truly heinous. Like, what do these judges and lawyers who keep silent expect will happen, once basic civil liberties & human rights are disbanded? (no matter whether disbanded directl…

Indeed, and one of the legacies of the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic is lingering distrust towards authorities even 30 years after the regime collapsed.

Past injustices cast long shadows.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 10:22 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #417

torstenvl wrote: post #405

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I'm feeling more and more confident that your comments are intentionally snide and personal, so I'm going to bow out. Happy New Year to you and I hope 2022 brings you much joy and happiness.

Please do not propagate flamewars on HN. We don't want this kind of thing here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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