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President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by eric_b »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #300
yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

> should be only one remedy: imediate expulsion of any agent of repression of the Chinese state There should be the same remedy that is provided to any other bully. These are still kids. There is a learning opportunity. If they refuse to learn, yes, expulsion should be in the cards.

There is increasing evidence over the last 2 years that low-consequence "intervention" doesn't really deter future bad behavior. Perhaps there are some specific actions that would have a greater success rate, but a slap on the wrist and a "don't do that again" isn't going to cut it.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by BurningFrog »

colinmhayes wrote: post #380
BurningFrog wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

96% of sentences in the US are handed out without a trial.

Because the defendants choose to forgo their trial. Chinese defendants are not given the option.

They choose that, because trial sentences are 2-4 times longer than plea deals.

You can choose to go to trial, but if you do, you will be severely punished for that choice.

This is one major reason so many innocent people are jailed in the US.

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Post by rectang »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #300
yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

> should be only one remedy: imediate expulsion of any agent of repression of the Chinese state There should be the same remedy that is provided to any other bully. These are still kids. There is a learning opportunity. If they refuse to learn, yes, expulsion should be in the cards.

If you were to read the propublica article, you would not blow this off as the actions of "kids".

https://www.propublica.org/article/even-on-us-campuses-china...

> In a rush of adrenaline last year, the graduate student posted an open letter on a dissident website praising the heroism of the students killed in the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989.

> The blowback, he said, was fast and frightening. His parents called from China, crying. Officers of the Ministry of State Security, the feared civilian spy agency, had warned them about his activism in the United States.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by ch4s3 »

rkk3 wrote: post #404
yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

> for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen Masacre You realize the 89' protestors were trying to overthrow the government (thats how you establish the Democracy). No surprise that celebrating failed-revolutionaries is contentious.

They were run over by tanks, and the PRC has made it illegal to even mention the event. Most nation states allow citizens to talk about their own history good and bad.

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Post by tshaddox »

zepto wrote: post #340
DFHippie wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In America, we discuss and debate and try to incrementally learn from our experience. Well, some do. The anti-CRT brouhaha is a reaction against that. Do you suppose they'll be teaching about the Tulsa Race Massacre in Oklahoma high schools in the near future? ETA I think people were taking me the wrong way. I added "anti-" above. The brouhaha is all the people trying to prevent their kids from hearing anything in…

CRT has nothing to do with teaching history.

Also, CRT has probably never been taught in an American K-12 public school. It's an academic subject you would only encounter at a university in a very specific field of study.

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Post by chernevik »

yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

He can't immediately announce punishment without violation of due process.

The perpetrators may be known, but even so that has to be formally established before the school can do anything about them.

It's unfortunate that there isn't a greater response from the student body in defense of free speech.

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Post by dev_tty01 »

sschueller wrote: post #248
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…

In the US (and most western countries), I can put up a website detailing what happened in the Tulsa race massacre with no fear of government censorship or retaliation. In China, I could not do the same with details of Tiananmen Square.

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Post by rob_c »

bsjks wrote: post #15
rob_c wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not legal reasons it's laziness. GDPR compliance really doesn't cost a lot despite what a lot of legal shills spout...

If it costs more than zero and you don’t care about euros not visiting your site, it makes sense. For example if you have ads or external analytics (practically 100% of websites) you need a cookie banner. Best to restrict access than to annoy your innocent users.

I didn't say zero.

Imagine they locked out afrika there'd be a huge amount of screaming about injustice and isms...

You can identify users by geoip and ASN surprisingly well, don't pretend supporting that has to annoy ameri-land, it's the same as arguing lock off California, it's a bad argument.

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Post by karaterobot »

yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

I thought it was a pretty good response.

From the article:

> If those students who issued the threats can be identified, they will be subject to appropriate disciplinary action.

It sounds like they don't know who the students are yet, so they can't punish anybody. Anyway, I'd rather they say "appropriate disciplinary action", because it implies they'll actually try to find out the full story, which is how I want an administration to behave.

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Post by josefx »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #292
jmull wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The letter is from the president of Purdue, while the web site is a news site that is independent of the university. Also, it’s not really censorship — they have to deal with the GDPR headache, one way or the other, just like everyone else. Simply blocking the EU is a blunt but simple and effective way of doing so, and makes decent sense for a site where the interest is 99% local.

> they have to deal with the GDPR headache What headache? A sensible solution: when EU visitor is detected, don't set cookies. Purdue solution: when EU visitor is detected, block them.

Not sure if that is enough. They seem to have facebook and twitter links and as far as I remember these usually come in a JavaScript spyware bundle and those are only the obvious ones.
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