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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by R0b0t1 »

Arnavion wrote: post #416

The "criticize their hiding of the dislike count" part is irrelevant. I've done no such thing and all my comments have been getting auto-deleted in the same way for a few months now, long before this dislike count thing happened. It's something fucked up on their end, lots of users are affected (also since long before this dislike count thing happened), and they're in no hurry to fix it. And there's no point posting…

Hmm, I tried to comment on a video recently and it got shadow deleted. I figured the channel author had done that.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ddingus »

franczesko wrote: post #217

The majority of YouTube traffic comes from mobile devices (this can be observed in Google Ads for any video campaign), which is losing market share because of Tictoc. Google will do whatever it takes to monetize every inch of their investment. By turning off dislikes, users will be forced to engage with additional content. This is also visible on the other side of the spectrum - Google is pushing heavily integrated c…

"forced"

It is still a big Internet out there. All it takes is an up and coming platform to steer people elsewhere.

YT is big, and yeah they will carry on via inertia, but for things like news, organizing, commentary? Yeah, people will seek it elsewhere.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ehsankia »

rvnx wrote: post #95
TT-392 wrote: post #74

The youtube automatically deleting comments thing is strange, it happens to me quite often for no clear reason. I once left a commend on a veritasium vid where I got something wrong. Replies kept coming about what I got wrong. But anytime I edited the comment, or leaving a reply myself. The exact thing happened to my edits or replies as happened in the video. It is not like I can't leave comments anywhere like the gu…

It's likely that the reason the comments are deleted are due to the spam filter. I don't see the connection with a critic of the disappearance of dislikes.

Indeed, but HN/reddit is happy to throw away any logic/skepticism and give in to their confirmation bias as soon as it comes to a topic like this. All it takes a single anecdotal evidence in the form of a video.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by fallingknife »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #396
BbzzbB wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you can't see a video has a 1:9 like:dislike ratio to tell you it's not worth your time. Granted, you'll (probably) be able to tell from the comments, for now. I'm not convinced how much it'd actually impact watch time, but it seems to be the thesis.

The dislike ratio was never reliable when a downvote army comes through to kill anything that threatens their worldview. Play too roughly with a cat? The cat people dislike you. Promote an exercise of liberty some don't want you to have? Dislike.

OK, so it was inaccurate 0.1% of the time, and accurate 99.9% of the time. Let's scrap it!

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by shadowgovt »

willis936 wrote: post #371
shadowgovt wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? They have a hell of a lot more experience running a video sharing and networking service than most folks do.

And that somehow means they are making decisions optimal for users or society, contrary to their behavior history?

It means they're more likely to have the resources and data to think decisions like this through.

Especially given that I've seen other social networks take a similar course, I trust Google's analysis of the effect of visible vs. invisible dislike counts over the ad-hoc common sense of the uninvested technorati.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by laurent92 »

ddingus wrote: post #410

Of course they are! That's how this goes. Once the door is open for censorship, it all works just like lies do, and it's often associated with lies and or hurt egos, say lack of acceptance and respect, and it tends to spread, until it's ridiculous. And let's get real here: This whole mess is because the government and big media don't like being near constantly ratioed. They do have the option of improving how they wo…

If Youtube views were really upvote/downvote driven, and if democracies were really vote-driven, if we actually listened to people’s vote instead of telling them what they should think… the world would be much, much different.

We would actually listen to the People.

No, that’s clearly not the world we want. Bring on those “crowd shaping tools.

(Edit: Removed the middle paragraph).

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ddingus »

laurent92 wrote: post #426
ddingus wrote: post #410

Of course they are! That's how this goes. Once the door is open for censorship, it all works just like lies do, and it's often associated with lies and or hurt egos, say lack of acceptance and respect, and it tends to spread, until it's ridiculous. And let's get real here: This whole mess is because the government and big media don't like being near constantly ratioed. They do have the option of improving how they wo…

If Youtube views were really upvote/downvote driven, and if democracies were really vote-driven, if we actually listened to people’s vote instead of telling them what they should think… the world would be much, much different. We would actually listen to the People. No, that’s clearly not the world we want. Bring on those “crowd shaping tools. (Edit: Removed the middle paragraph).

Indeed, but adding to the problem in this egregious way should be called out and the reputability of those involved questioned.

Might not do a lick of good. That's OK.

I can, at a minimum, gauge who to trust, who I am working with. A short conversation says a lot. And that's enough to manage what I do, say, risk, reward.

Maybe that is as good as it all can get right now. Maybe not. Real people having real conversations is a path forward though. More people than ever are seeking that having seen the mess you describe unavoidably. The illusion was better before. Now it's all sort of overt, in our face.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by Ambolia »

laurent92 wrote: post #426
ddingus wrote: post #410

Of course they are! That's how this goes. Once the door is open for censorship, it all works just like lies do, and it's often associated with lies and or hurt egos, say lack of acceptance and respect, and it tends to spread, until it's ridiculous. And let's get real here: This whole mess is because the government and big media don't like being near constantly ratioed. They do have the option of improving how they wo…

If Youtube views were really upvote/downvote driven, and if democracies were really vote-driven, if we actually listened to people’s vote instead of telling them what they should think… the world would be much, much different. We would actually listen to the People. No, that’s clearly not the world we want. Bring on those “crowd shaping tools. (Edit: Removed the middle paragraph).

>"No, that’s clearly not the world we want."

Who is "we"? Obviously not the people from the rest of your message.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by rvz »

ddingus wrote: post #410

Of course they are! That's how this goes. Once the door is open for censorship, it all works just like lies do, and it's often associated with lies and or hurt egos, say lack of acceptance and respect, and it tends to spread, until it's ridiculous. And let's get real here: This whole mess is because the government and big media don't like being near constantly ratioed. They do have the option of improving how they wo…

YouTube is on the side of profit, so is now moderating its platform like the large media companies who have moved in from TV/Cable to also using YouTube. The creators and users are always last place.

As I said days before, [0] it will only get worse and YouTube will not change.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29407822

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