Overly analytical guide to escorting

>Its not a comparison, prostitution literally is physical labor...

>...whereas selling organs is not prostitution and vice versa.

Alright.

> Much wage labor, both physical and otherwise, involves sacrifice of psychological and/or physical health.

And the goal was to reduce those sacrifices overtime. Or so I thought.

> We have, in fact, a massive labor regulatory and enforcement bureaucracy that exists not to prevent that, but to try to limit it to what is deemed reasonable for each specific job. (Including, where it is legal, for prostitution.)

Help me out then. Where is the limit? I mean, at what point we can say:"no, this is unacceptable to decriminalize doing that, even though it can perfectly be classified as labor definition on wikipedia". Why governments prevent trading some stuff, if trading, whatever you trade, is the same labor like everything else and shouldn't be prevented?

Are you a libertarian? I'm asking because discussing all that with people who believe in stuff has no purpose

Customers buying from black markets have less choice.

If I want drugs, I buy the drugs the dealer is pushing.

In a legal market for sex, a customer can be more selective, so the less desired workers will lose customers.

When weed was legalized the bottom rung of the weed dealers, lost their market to stores who suddenly offered a better option to consumers.

Marginalization in the cannabis dealer scene would be poor people who sell a bit of weed to make ends meet or cheap/free weed in exchange for dealing.

With "systematically pressure", you can actually say "tries to enforce the law"[1], if they're aware that the premise is used for swapping sex for money, they need to make it stop. Simply paying for a not-for-work apartment or should not fall under that legal space, though.

[1] https://lagen.nu/1962:700#K6P12S2

> It sounds like you are from Germany?

Correct.

>I don't think that prostitution will ever get destigmatized.

Fully de-stigmatized? Probably not in our life times, or ever. But the stigma has been on a sharp decline, at least in my parents generation and my generation, as far as I can tell.

>Men are usually wary of sexually promiscuous women, and women know that as well

While this is not entirely wrong, what is considered "sexually promiscuous" has shifted a lot in general. In the "somewhat woker"[0] parts of society you will get shamed for "slut shaming". Moreover, I find with a lot of people the idea that prostitutes are "sexually promiscuous" instead of just doing a job has greatly shifted towards recognizing it's a job and not "sluttiness". Even my late grandma, after watching a few documentaries about prostitution in German, changed her mind[1].

I think visiting a prostitute has a large stigma ("creep"/"perv", "cannot get laid if he does not pay money for it") but the actual prostitution a lot less so now.

>IIRC most prostitutes in Germany are foreign anyway, so even though the pay is high, most German women would prefer to do some other work :).

There is reportedly a sizable chunk of foreign prostitutes, but not a majority, as far as I am aware. With legalization and the internet, it is rather easy to set up your own one-person operation, and that happened/happens a lot, even for foreigners. No need to walk the streets or work in known brothels or red light districts. You can operate in relative anonymity as a one-person operation from some flat or go to customers, after advertising your services online[2]. This affords both the prostitute and their client some privacy.

Or you can work in the larger legal brothels, which then provide security (actual bouncers, not some pimps pretending to provide protection) and other amenities such as that they will advertise their establishment so you don't have to spend time doing that yourself. These legal brothels then charge a flat entrance fee to prostitutes (but do not take a cut of the pay; that would be illegal pimping).

The one prostitute I know socially[3], for example, is German and has rented a flat together with another prostitute (also German) one town over from where she lives (to avoid awkwardly running into clients on the street), where they would provide services to clients, usually alternating who gets to use the flat each day. This works out well for them, time-wise, she says. She also goes to regular clients (to their homes or hotels) after there was a certain level of reputation and trust was established. She says in this system they set up, there is no need for hired security (or a "pimp", not that pimps ever actually provided protection), seeing new clients only after vetting them (also vetting them with other prostitutes, who use online forums to do so; not so much the case in the US after SESTA/FOSTA), and only accepting electronic payments for new clients to leave a money trace the police could investigate if something goes bad and telling the clients as much (US sex workers cannot even get banking once it becomes known to the bank they are sex workers, or reasonably go to the police).

She isn't a high end escort either, by the way. She mentioned charging something like 100 bucks for half an hour as the base rate. I don't really have a frame of reference, but I believe this is neither particularly cheap nor particularly expensive.

[0] And by somewhat "woker" I do not mean the crowd who think antifa is great and tattoo their pronouns on their foreheads, but the section of society which believes e.g. in equal treatment of the genders, that allowing same sex marriage and adoption is not up for debate, or that we have to do something about climate change. I generally would call these people the "sane group", but that's just me.

[1] I remember the time at some family function, when the topic somehow got on legalization of prostitution (it had been already legal for years), my 80-something-at-the-time year old grandpa remarked that they are "sluts", and my grandma of roughly the same age, to everybody's amazement, remarked "Leave them alone! They are just doing a hard job to get by. I saw a lot about that on TV".

[3] On the flip side, this makes it easier to hide human trafficking, too, as trafficker rings can online advertise and rent normal apartments, too, of course.

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21106425

And yeah, I was curious and/or nosy enough to ask her questions after she revealed what she does for a living, specially about the risks involved and how she mitigates them.

I will not respond to most of what you said, as it's getting rather repetitive, you seem to have made up your mind about how prostitution is exclusively all of the following and worse: necessarily extremely "degrading", "like selling organs and slavery", "leads to pedophilia", is about "sucking dirty dicks". Divorced from reality in other words. I feel like I am talking to a creationist who argues that evolution is just an unproven theory.

But this shit had my blood boiling:

>Considering that this prostitute was/is your friend, she must be educated and intelligent enough to keep your interest. Why was that the only choice for her, btw? Family violence or smth?

She had to be abused in order to become a prostitute? For the sake of the holy fuck...

First of all, aren't we a little bit elitist and superficial? I am friends with her because I like her as a human and she is a nice person and fun to hang out with, not because she is "able to keep my interest" with smarts and education...

She is average smart I would think, and in fact not well educated, tho has a certain natural curiosity to her. She fucked up her education, mostly by cutting classes a lot and partying, leading to bad grades. A rebellious teen at most, no abuse involved (something I kinda have in common with her, that rebellious/carpe diem phase, but I somehow managed to outgrow that phase soon enough to not completely tank my final grades, and still qualified to go to uni).

And prostitution wasn't the only choice for her, even tho thanks to her rebellious years and bad academic record, her choices were limited. That's why she started working as a cleaner in that hospital (another option) where I met her. She could have gone back to school, or gone to vocational school instead (she had/has supportive parents and a good relationship with them). No idea why she did not, or rather only in recent years started looking into that possibility.

I myself was working in that hospital only because German males at the time still had to either do mandatory army service or mandatory civil service, and I opted for the latter. We got talking at the "smokers bus stop" (basically a little space with a roof looking like a bus stop right outside of the hospital and the only place where anybody was allowed to smoke), then started hanging out after shifts. We lost touch after my service was over and left, and left home for uni to another town. But a couple of years later we ran into each other again, and that's when I learned she changed professions (well, after a while she told me, while initially being secretive about it).

She wasn't abused/hadn't been abused, she wasn't driven into prostitution by outright desperation (she wanted a less shitty job, but that's not the same), she wasn't pimped out by a "boyfriend", she wasn't forced into it by anybody or anything. She wasn't in debt either, as far as I know, just shittily paid for long hours, which only allowed her to rent a somewhat small and shitty apartment, drive a shitty used car, go on a low-end vacation every couple of years, and so on, and desired a life less shitty.

In fact, she told me she was rather skeptical at first and took a long time deliberating if she should do it, did a lot of online research first, and then took cautious steps into that business, doing it very part time for a time while still working her cleaner job, and then decided it was working well enough for her and a lot better than that cleaner job, and made the jump to full time. What initially gave her the idea of becoming a prostitute I don't know.