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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by pa7ch »

Jtsummers wrote: post #122
gameman144 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But a manual reviewer in Cupertino or elsewhere still gets access to your personal (possibly very intimate or otherwise private) photos. Privacy from law enforcement is hardly the only privacy that people value.

If you desire privacy, never upload your images to any cloud service that doesn't offer true end-to-end encryption of the data (that is, one where they do not have the key). Use a service where data is only decryptable on your own devices or devices that you personally authorize. Which is, presently, none of the popular services that I'm aware of.

Thats the issue with local scanning, even if you used an e2e cloud for your photos the encryption would be bypassed with local scanning.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by jishiav042 »

hengheng wrote: post #417
PennRobotics wrote: post #340

I was excited about these but realized it's probably because Google put so much effort into marketing. The phone is unspectacular and has a wacky design that doesn't hit the spot for me. At the end of the day, there's a huge focus on photography, live transcribe, and extended support. From my perspective, that's their hook. For photography, I have a Sony Alpha with OIS, etc. Live Transcribe has been a Google Research…

Phone will look good inside a case, also I left my Sony in the bag when on holidays

I precisely want a good camera in phone because I can't carry my camera everywhere.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by Teknoman117 »

Anyone know if Google has any plans to mainline the kernel support for the SoC in the Pixel 6?

One of the largest troubles with running your own OS on phones is having little to no information on the SoCs, and thus having to run parts of Android with a shim to a standard Linux user space.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by a1371 »

nicbou wrote: post #76

I really like my Pixel 5, and I hope that Google maintains the course with future Pixels. It's a proper appliance phone. It holds the same place in my life as my kettle or my washing machine. It does what I want it to do, and asks nothing of me. I don't know any stats about it, only that it's fast enough, has a long enough battery life, and takes good enough pictures. I couldn't be happier.

Completely agree. I remember with my past phones, there were lots of flashy features to play with but then they'd become annoying and you'd start to notice glaring usability problems. Pixel has exactly what it's supposed to have and all of them are well designed.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by amznthrwaway »

gigel82 wrote: post #346
kemayo wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The in the cloud vs. on your device aspect of this debate is the most important part and cannot be glossed over. I really do think it's a weird aspect to fixate on, though. So long as Apple is only scanning the photos that're being uploaded to its servers, it genuinely doesn't matter to me where that scanning happens. It's a scan that could have happened in either location, and the version where it's happening loca…

> If I don't like that the scanning occurs, I can disable the uploading. You can already do that today (I do). > But it doesn't Maybe, maybe not. Even if I were to trust Apple 100% it's again a matter of principle (no local scanning). Imagine the uproar if Microsoft Defender (which comes in-box enabled-by-default on all Windows 10/11 PCs) were to suddenly start scanning photos (it already scans executables and Office…

Microsoft already checks hashes against known child pornography when you put things into OneDrive, so the uproar should be fairly minimal if they scanned sooner.

The really odd thing is that Apple does the scanner client-side so that the content can be encrypted, protecting your privacy more generally, and somehow a bunch of folks like you think it’s much much worse.

Candidly, I think this is manufactured outrage from weird nerds who have “don’t like Apple” as part of their existing identity. These weird nerds, like you, jump through massive logical contortions to explain why it’s horrible.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by Seattle3503 »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #126
kisamoto wrote: post #57

I think normally I'd look for the Pixel or the iPhone but my next purchase will be supporting FairPhone. When I think about how powerful I need my phone to be I don't need the best. I want something I can fix and update myself; something that's supported for more than a couple of years; something that is a little "better" for the planet. Does anybody use all of the new power of these incredible devices?

I stopped looking at what the marketers tell me I'm supposed to want in a phone, and went shopping for phones that have what I actually want: Durability and battery life. I've started getting those rugged phones of the sort they market at construction workers. They're brilliant. Water/mud/dust/salt resistant, you can drop them however many times you feel like without cracking the screen, battery life is alomost two d…

Some of Samsung's rugged phones still let you replace the battery as well. In addition to having a headphone jack and SD card slot.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by GeekyBear »

flutas wrote: post #46
marcellus23 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple’s stated intents to actively incriminate you by scanning your photos on a personal device More accurately put, their intent is to scan cloud photos for exact matches with known child pornography material (like every other cloud provider, including Google), and then have the case reviewed by a human only after multiple positives, and only then forwarding the case to law enforcement (based on photos you chose t…

> their intent is to scan cloud photos corrected: their intent is to scan all photos in your photo library, on your device, including images automatically pulled in from from various sources such as messages, if you have iCloud Photo enabled.

Apple does not scan on device photos at all. It's something they announced they might do to images you upload to iCloud Photos some day in the future.

Google, on the other hand, has been scanning the entire contents of your account for the past decade.

>a man [was] arrested on child pornography charges, after Google tipped off authorities about illegal images found in the Houston suspect’s Gmail account.

https://techcrunch.com/2014/08/06/why-the-gmail-scan-that-le...

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by derekp7 »

Symmetry wrote: post #236
nicbou wrote: post #76

I really like my Pixel 5, and I hope that Google maintains the course with future Pixels. It's a proper appliance phone. It holds the same place in my life as my kettle or my washing machine. It does what I want it to do, and asks nothing of me. I don't know any stats about it, only that it's fast enough, has a long enough battery life, and takes good enough pictures. I couldn't be happier.

In the same boat but I suspect I'll be sad if I didn't have a finger print reader on the back of my phone. But maybe there's a good reason everybody is putting it on the front now?

If I'm sitting at my desk I have my phone on the desk instead of in my pocket. It gets annoying have to pick it up to hit the fingerprint reader on the back when I fire up the 2-factor auth app.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by Humphrey »

JediWing wrote: post #121

The launch of this phone was utterly botched. There's a hilarious dissonance between the talk of SoC design, AI, computational photography and ambient computing and the inability to handle a website with a relatively simple purchase flow for a phone that, let's be real, probably has about 1/10 th of the interest and web traffic of the iPhone. From the moment the store website went live with these phones there were al…

AND, the day after M1 Pro 7 Max launch. Google Silicon seems so "so what?" after those jaw dropping chips!
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