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Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by CamperBob2 »

bad_username wrote: post #420
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #233

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> What do you count as disinformation I won't get into the argument of "Well then who is the arbiter of truth?" because honestly, I don't have an answer. It can't be the government for obvious reasons, but it also can't be private corporations, and certainly can't be the general public. That leaves...nobody. Maybe a non-profit organization, but even those could easily be corrupted. > and why is it a problem? Nearly 7…

> Disinformation is literally killing people by contributing to the continued spread of a pandemic. It's absolutely insane to me that you would genuinely ask why disinformation is a problem. I wonder if you ever considered the possibity that not everything that goes against your current beliefs is disinformation.

I wonder if you ever considered the possibity that not everything that goes against your current beliefs is disinformation.

Speaking only for myself, I try to consider such possibilities constantly. Unlike what passes for Trump-era conservatives, I don't like to be wrong. If you correct a mistaken belief of mine, I'll thank you for doing me the favor.

Difficulty: Your faith's no good here, nor is your money. You'll need to bring evidence.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by spurgu »

woko wrote: post #417
spurgu wrote: post #385

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> You get to report posts (3 reports mean that the post is deleted), and warn users (24-hour ban after 3 "active" warnings, and then it scales up to a permanent ban after 15 "active" warnings). Warnings become "inactive" after a month. Sounds like I could do some damage there by signing up with three accounts?

In practice, this has not happened yet, and it has been 3 years since the forum inception. One obstacle which I forgot to mention is that an account cannot report posts or warn other members unless the account is 3 months old *and* the account has created at least 300 posts. Both conditions have to be met. I guess it is a sufficient hindrance for most Internet trolls to forget about the forum if they had no intention…

Ah yes, that obstacle turns it from dubious into quite solid. :)

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

bad_username wrote: post #420
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What do you count as disinformation I won't get into the argument of "Well then who is the arbiter of truth?" because honestly, I don't have an answer. It can't be the government for obvious reasons, but it also can't be private corporations, and certainly can't be the general public. That leaves...nobody. Maybe a non-profit organization, but even those could easily be corrupted. > and why is it a problem? Nearly 7…

> Disinformation is literally killing people by contributing to the continued spread of a pandemic. It's absolutely insane to me that you would genuinely ask why disinformation is a problem. I wonder if you ever considered the possibity that not everything that goes against your current beliefs is disinformation.

I'm open to having my mind changed, but it takes rigorous testing and peer review. I'm not going to have my mind changed by some talking head on the TV or some dude in sunglasses recording a video from his truck.

If I got COVID, I'm not going to demand Ivermectin just because Joe Rogan told me to.

But you're dodging the issue at hand. COVID has killed nearly 700,000 Americans and over 4.5M people worldwide. Vaccines slow the spread of COVID and are safe. This is all verifiable information. Claims that the vaccine is ineffective or has deadly side-effects are disinformation. Not because I disagree, but because extensive study and peer review points to those claims being false.

When you disagree with scientific studies that have undergone extensive peer review, it's not disagreement. You're just wrong.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by dredmorbius »

xwdv wrote: post #414
dredmorbius wrote: post #394

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Pointing to a mental health crisis service would be far more advisable. I'd stick with the ban if the threat was in response to moderation actions.

Most these threats weren’t serious, just some problematic teen looking for attention. Showing them that some strangers don’t give a shit about them or their antics could be a real eye opener.

And what of the threats which were not?

Responding "just kill yourself already" is simply beyond the pale.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by avs733 »

dredmorbius wrote: post #396
avs733 wrote: post #334

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Agnotology and bad faith arguments[0] [0] https://medium.com/s/story/a-field-guide-to-bad-faith-argume...

NB, that post seems to have migrated here: https://www.aaronhuertas.com/a-field-guide-to-bad-faith-argu... Can you tell me about my epistemology?

I saw the author had moved to either a self hosted domain/ghost but didn't want to risk hugging them to death...however unlikely it is that anyone would click on my random link.

Reading your comment history I would hypothesize you generally follow a coherentist/constructivist school of thought. I'm drawing this from repeated efforts to ensure alignment and clarity of actual meaning, especially in cases where vagueness in the language used by others might induce misunderstanding by someone who only gave a cursory read to a concept. You value whole concepts rather than individual facts and seem to approach things with the idea that your understanding grows over time through ongoing experience - i.e., understanding is constructed.

I would highlight this quote: "I instantly started learning very useful features reading the GNU docs. (I still need to fully internalise those). Yes, the full manual is very much better than the manpage."

No one has ever actually taken me up on this before...

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by drdebug »

Alir3z4 wrote: post #130
drdebug wrote: post #27

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Would you be able to share information about the tools you used, they could be very useful for other blogs and platforms it seems!

Basically https://gist.github.com/Alir3z4/6b26353928633f7db59f40f71c8f... but don't think it will be useful for everyone, each usage and requirements is different and needs different solutions.

Thank you! You'd be surprised how useful a starting point can be, thanks for sharing.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by npunt »

derekzhouzhen wrote: post #419
npunt wrote: post #412

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Sorry I wasn’t clear. I was replying to your assertion that ‘Flame wars, abuse etc. only happen if there are other people watching’. DMs are an example of a major abuse vector where other people are not watching.

I understand. However, on my platform, there is no even username so it is very hard to follow people around. Also there is one reply per node limit and per user comment limit per day to cap the volume. Anyone must be able to take a small amount of abuse to survive this world. I can't eliminate abuse but I can increase the friction of abuse and make abuse less satisfying or rewarding. That's all I want to do.

Ah that makes more sense given the rules you're implementing. Agree friction is a good way to solve these kinds of issues.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by shuntress »

raxxorrax wrote: post #375
shuntress wrote: post #183

It really frustrates me that this level of abuse is just accepted as a fact of nature. It feels like watching masked bandits stick up a bank then walk away casually to the next bank down the street while the bank manager says "Drat! Too bad we didn't stop that one at the door. Oh well, at least they only got one register" I know all the responses to this are going to be "mUh PoLicE sTaTe" but I really wish there was…

I don't. The advantages are overwhelming, people just forgot to appreciate it that there isn't some form of central information control. We see a lot of moral panics and authoritarian ambitions right now and the bad accessibility to information control is a huge blessing. If we had more responsibility here, it might look different, but that isn't really the case and probably unrealistic. For politics, clout or attent…

I believe you have misinterpreted (understandably, perhaps, given my comment's wording) what I meant by "abuse".

I meant "abuse" as in deliberate hostile misuse. Things like XSS, penetration scans, bruteforcing logins, phishing messages, etc.

Constant penetration/vulnerability scans are baseline background noise of the internet. The best-case-scenario is that the scans find no vulnerability.

The point I was trying to make is that I would prefer a world where existing online as something other than data-livestock felt a little safer.

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