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Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by busterarm » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:13 PM UTC

jensensbutton wrote: post #377

icare_1er wrote: post #177

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No one ever stopped women from pursuing career in high-frequency trading or anything else. No one ever stopped women from inventing Amazon or Microsoft from their garage. No one ever stopped women from choosing to graduated in science, maths, finance, rather than art, litterature, or "gender studies".

As recently as 1970 women in the US weren't allowed to open checking accounts or get loans from a bank by themselves, but tell me more about how no one _ever_ stopped women from doing what they want.

And in 1970 direct deposit did not exist, everyone was paid by check and could go cash it at the issuing bank, which was always local. Man or woman. Whether you had an account or not.

i.e, the banking situation you mention was not a barrier to employment whatsoever.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by rgrieselhuber » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:13 PM UTC

ashtonkem wrote: post #401

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #360

Great news, the concept that you need college to succeed was one of the greatest lies told to my generation. Pleased the next generation is waking up. End of the day if the loan can't be written off, if the loan is just handed out to 18 year olds and has almost no limit then the organization that asks for the loan will inevitably balloon out of all proportion and no longer be reflective at all of the value you get ba…

> Great news, the concept that you need college to succeed was one of the greatest lies told to my generation. I guess it means what you mean by “succeed”. Going to college is and always has been a reliable way towards earning more money[0]. The issue isn’t that college doesn’t work, the issue is that it’s basically an asset bubble of sorts and the cost exceeded its value. If huge chunks of future generations skip co…

Bad for us as a society how?

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by nomoreplease » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:14 PM UTC

nemo44x wrote: post #364

pelasaco wrote: post #337

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I think that's exactly how racism works right? You segregate people by how they look like and you make them believe that because how they look like and their origins they are less important then the others. Kind of funny how we humans think: "let's correct a mistake repeating it over and over again".

When one of progressives guiding philosophies is “The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” then this is exactly the plan. It’s all in their texts and one only has to read them to see plainly the type of policy they work towards.

Where are these texts? I didn’t know that this is actually written down

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by fukmbas » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:14 PM UTC

Arete314159 wrote: post #42

One guy they profiled is making $20 an hour in Toledo, Ohio. If he's working full time, that's 40k a year. Zillow has a number of houses for sale in Toledo for under $40k. Like, they need some work, but a real house, under 40k. I think that guy is doing fine, he should just keep doing exactly what he's doing.

Toledo is a shit hole and good luck buying a car on that salary.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by hobbleabbas » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:14 PM UTC

bigbillheck wrote: post #404

adamrezich wrote: post #117

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also, and this is personal taste of course, it can get to be pretty soul-crushing working with and being around mostly people that don't value a nuclear family, when you yourself do. this was a major reason for moving away from the video game industry and greater Seattle area and returning home to South Dakota a few years ago. it took a lot of mental and emotional effort to kill the lifelong dream I worked toward sin…

> don't value a nuclear family, when you yourself do When you say you value a 'nuclear family', instead of just 'family', the distinction means things like 'I do not want my parents to have more than a minimal role in their grandchildren's lives' and 'my siblings and their children are to be kept separate from my children'. That's what the 'nuclear' part means! Mom died and now Dad's dropping hints about moving into…

On the contrary - I'm not sure of the exact definition, but the meaning of a nuclear family, at least to me, has morphed into a traditional family structure with an at home mother and working father.

If anything, a structure like this would facilitate and encourage visits from and to relatives. Seems like a much nicer life than a situation where both parents work.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by someguydave » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:14 PM UTC

hollerith wrote: post #314

atoav wrote: post #112

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I am a certified EE and have a MA of fine Arts (film). Living in Europe where I had to pay 350 Euros per semester (which included a public transport ticket for the whole province), I didn't have to make a choice between the two. I did both because I was interested in both. After university I was well equiped to do freelancer work in my field and earned well. I don't think this "you have to be hard or else you won't s…

I am pretty sure that the US graduates a larger fraction of its population from college than Germany does. At least that was true in 2012: https://www.businessinsider.com/r-us-falls-behind-in-college... (ignore the headline and go to the actual numbers)

having a degree is no guarantee that you possess employable skills.

Germany is much better at shunting people away from university who are not qualified to be there. Generally, they go to trade schools and apprenticeships.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by twoslide » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:15 PM UTC

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #360

Great news, the concept that you need college to succeed was one of the greatest lies told to my generation. Pleased the next generation is waking up. End of the day if the loan can't be written off, if the loan is just handed out to 18 year olds and has almost no limit then the organization that asks for the loan will inevitably balloon out of all proportion and no longer be reflective at all of the value you get ba…

Is the issue higher education (colleges/universities) or higher education finance? Sounds like the latter.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by datavirtue » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:15 PM UTC

nickd2001 wrote: post #187

throwtheworld wrote: post #99

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> A narrative that (white) men are uniformly privileged and life is just easy for them. This is very perspective dependent. I’m a black college student now and every conversation with friends back home includes some mention of dropping out because it’s not for us as well. When you see people with equivalent resumes already coasting by in the job market because they could get their last names and LinkedIn photos past…

Do you mean by "we know we’re not what companies are looking for even with fancy CS degrees", simply that they're looking for identically qualified people that aren't black? If so, I'm extremely sorry to hear this, and disgusted that its happening. I can't actually think of anyone I worked with who'd knowingly treat or value a black colleague or interview candidate any differently, but maybe that's white blindness on…

Capital One is a great place to work. When it comes to corporate behemoths it doesn't have much competition that I know of. Very supportive culture that is obsessively focused on improving teams, the culture, and processes.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by michaelt » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:16 PM UTC

ashtonkem wrote: post #401

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #360

Great news, the concept that you need college to succeed was one of the greatest lies told to my generation. Pleased the next generation is waking up. End of the day if the loan can't be written off, if the loan is just handed out to 18 year olds and has almost no limit then the organization that asks for the loan will inevitably balloon out of all proportion and no longer be reflective at all of the value you get ba…

> Great news, the concept that you need college to succeed was one of the greatest lies told to my generation. I guess it means what you mean by “succeed”. Going to college is and always has been a reliable way towards earning more money[0]. The issue isn’t that college doesn’t work, the issue is that it’s basically an asset bubble of sorts and the cost exceeded its value. If huge chunks of future generations skip co…

College degrees are either incredibly overpriced, or incredibly good value for money, depending on how you analyse them.

If you look at some CS graduate making $200,000 a year and assume they'd have made $50,000 without the degree, college looks like an incredibly good investment.

On the other hand, if you look at someone paying $1000 per credit hour for online video lectures? I've seen online video at 1% that price being described as overpriced.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by harimau777 » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:16 PM UTC

nemo44x wrote: post #364

pelasaco wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's exactly how racism works right? You segregate people by how they look like and you make them believe that because how they look like and their origins they are less important then the others. Kind of funny how we humans think: "let's correct a mistake repeating it over and over again".

When one of progressives guiding philosophies is “The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” then this is exactly the plan. It’s all in their texts and one only has to read them to see plainly the type of policy they work towards.

I don't think that's actually something progressives generally believe. Do you have any evidence?