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Post by chitowneats »

dfxm12 wrote: post #391
michaelbuckbee wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recent came across a technique for having a more substantial discussion and it was to ask: "Well, what would it take for you to change your mind?" Not that this is a silver bullet that automatically leads to peace and harmony, but it's a step in the right direction.

What type of responses did you get? I agree, engaging people is a good way to go. I don't know any anti-vaxxers personally, so I have to actively work to remind myself they might not all have the same reasons as the ones I know impersonally (who all happen to be full of misinfo, like Eric Clapton, et al.). There are no silver bullets that lead to peace and harmony, obviously, but a greater understanding of each other…

I would have no problem with vaccine mandates if they were instead immunity mandates. Some people, like many in my family, spent a year and half exposing themselves to keep the electricity running, food packaged, delivered, fulfillment warehouses running, etc. Seems very strange that in the U.S. these people, most of whom are young (which means they are at lower risk from covid but higher risk from vax complications like myocarditis), cannot prove they have active antibodies as a way to meet an "immunity mandate".

Instead, they are treated as if they are a threat. As if they are the ones who are overstressing the health care systems. When often instead they are the frontline workers these systems depend on. Many give care in nursing homes and at hospitals (in the case of nurses, a large percentage of whom still refuse the vax).

How many health care resources does the average unvaxxed healthy 26 year old consume? A lot less than the chronic smoker, the morbidly obese, the elderly, etc.

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thehappypm wrote: post #321
orangegreen wrote: post #308

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It's not really about you. It's about preventing other, more vulnerable people from getting sick. Living in a society means giving up some of your freedoms in exchange for security, and getting vaccinated as a way to help other people should be part of that exchange.

I don't agree with this, in general. We shouldn't give up our freedoms. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." (Benjamin Franklin) We should be motivated by a desire to help one another, and resist when freedoms are removed. That being said, if businesses want to exercise their freedoms to make life more difficult for the unvaccinated, s…

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Post by menduza23 »

seoaeu wrote: post #372
cies wrote: post #315

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It's stories like this --gov't makes out of court settlements and vaccine retracted-- that give a lot of credibility to those against/ hesitant towards vaccination. I'm in a low-risk group and see no use in getting vaccinated, especially since herd immunity is off the table and nearby ICUs are not overflowing. The media/pharma/politicians/bigtech are all passing out the same message: get the vaccine. Non of them high…

Because in places where lots of people think like you, the ICUs are overflowing? I also think you underestimate how ANGRY people are that they spent 18 months in lockdown, only to have some anti-vaxers mess things up at the end. By this point, we shouldn't be talking about which areas do/don't have overflowing ICUs, we should be talking about which areas have hit milestones for number of days without a positive case!

People say "trust the science". But I've seen no proof that this vaccine works. In fact no you need a third shot to combat the delta variant yet I've seen no proof that people who've had the third shot can't get the delta variant. Its sad to think people believe the lies the government and media is telling them. Saying "take the vaccine then we can all go back to normal" is like saying "the lockdown will only be two weeks long". The goal posts keep shifting. The government will never stop taking away your freedom and spreading lies to push this agenda.

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thepasswordis wrote: post #200

People don’t want to take the vaccine because others are trying to force them to. They would say “it’s not FDA approved!” not as the core of their hesitancy, but because they were trying to be appeal to pro-vax peoples decision making framework. I don’t think we should be able to require them to. To many of you here: imagine the Trump admin trying to require you to take the vaccine in November of last year. Cities wo…

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Post by TameAntelope »

queuebert wrote: post #317

"Comirnaty"? What does that even mean? Do marketing people just play Flappy Bird all day?

I literally think so, yes.

Honestly, one of my life goals is to somehow tap into creating a plausibly excusable place for companies to dump their marketing dollars, I feel like that's one of the secrets to an easy life.

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Post by Qub3d »

b0tzzzzzzman wrote: post #418

Hacker news is turning into Reddit style comments section. Can we talk about natural immunity and the path forward?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.

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Post by kenjackson »

sharken wrote: post #227
evan_ wrote: post #202

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> we need more time to assess the long-term effects You seem to be saying that the only issue is a question of time. Be specific: how much time? Will you say a specific number? “I will accept an mRNA-based vaccine if it has been around, and proven safe, for x years.”

Something similar to the Rubella vaccine that took about four years to be licensed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubella_vaccine

Why four years? Why not 40? That number seems just as arbitrary as the 10 months we've seen so far.

I think the part that seem hypocritical is that people that I know don't apply the same rigor in other parts of their life. They use recreational drugs that are sourced from who knows where with no clinical trials and a high percentage of adverse reactions even amongst our small community.

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Post by eddieroger »

vvilliamperez wrote: post #239

Like someone else mentioned, I think the core issue is "Should the government have the right to mandate medical procedures?" In my mind, I'm vaccinated, so what does it matter to me if others are not?

I had to be vaccinated to enter first grade, and again in college. Since I went to a public school, doesn't that already kind of answer this question?

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Post by organic_popcorn »

seriousquestion wrote: post #412
lovecg wrote: post #410

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Why did you omit the first part of the quote? “If the public health professionals … tell me to take I will absolutely take it. But if Donald Trump tells us to take it, I’m not taking it.” I think this is a reasonable message of caution when talking about someone pushing HCQ and drinking bleach on the daily.

Does the first part matter in the context of what the OP was talking about? If Trump mandated it many would not take it on that basis alone. That’s the point I’m responding to. “If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the Doctors, tell us we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it I'm not taking it.“ Note “But if…”. That progra…

The second part doesn’t? She’s just saying she won’t take it because Donald Trump alone said to.

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Post by albatross13 »

acdha wrote: post #6

I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.

I'm already triple vaxxed (booster), but there are plenty of aspects to this that help drive people's fear:

- Phase 3 trials for Pfizer not complete until May 2023: (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728) - Control group(s) were given vaccines after 14 days: (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/9691430...) - Pfizer generates 1.9bn in revenue off of 100m doses, just in the USA alone, creating a massive revenue loop for them that governments cannot get out of due to predatory contracts (https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/pfizer-eyes-higher-covid...) - Pfizer's incredibly predatory, leaked, contract (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20616251-albanian-pf...)

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