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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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…what a non sequitur. The F-150 is already a bloated monstrosity, it makes no difference if it’s electric. It’s some tiny bit faster, but they’re all fast enough.

Well, There's speed, and then there's acceleration. This new Lightning (putting it that way because F150 Lightning once corresponded to a gas-guzzling Supercharged V8 trim) has 775ft/lb of Torque. For reference, the existing models are between 265 and 510 ft/lb. Additionally, one of the benefits of an electric motor, is that torque is essentially instantly available, compared to an ICE where there's only a slim power…

This. The crazy acceleration rates make speeding easier (you get to high speeds in no time) and more dangerous (you surprise other people) while offering no tangible benefit except maybe for killing the sports car market.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

this is a weak argument on several levels. if you need to move things five times a year, rent a pickup truck. Unless you're moving things on the regular, there's no point owning a very inefficient and heavy vehicle.

You can't do that. You can rent a truck no problem, but a truck that you can actually use as a truck cannot be rented. They carefully check to ensure you didn't scratch any paint, and that means no hauling.

There are work a rounds, but they are limited (home depot will rent a truck but the fine print is only to go from home depot to your house, no other trips). If you have a CDL you can rent a commercial truck that lets you work it. However for general purpose I need a truck to be a truck the average person can't rent.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Tesla's checkout process has spoiled me. It's landing page -> select a model -> select options and appearance -> enter payment info for a 100$ deposit. No signups, no friction, just car creation and transparent info and pricing. Step one on Ford's site is to select a dealer. Already I'm thinking about how much I hate my local dealer and the whole dealership system in general. Step two is a login screen with create an…

That's quite funny as just today the newest magazine from the local version of Consumer Reports came out and Tesla was rated pretty bad and this in total score (dealer rating is way worse). Tesla is rated on par with brands like Kia and Suzuki:

https://ibb.co/TgKvP2g

But of course Ford is even worse here but not in the dealership rating (which I of course can't find atm. as it were in last months issue)..

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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I'm happy to see this. It's the most popular vehicle, so it will reach a large audience. Also, at least in my imagination, work trucks are a perfect use because they are used locally and parked on the job site. So the range and need for a charging station might not be impediments.

My pet peeve is that vehicles are getting bigger in general, and I don't need a big vehicle. An F150 won't fit in my garage.

An amusing anecdote, my friend got a brand new pickup, and was being really fussy about keeping it clean. I asked him: How do you keep the bed from getting dirty and scratched up? He said: Don't put anything in there. When he drove back to the family ranch, his mom noticed that he was being too prissy with his truck. So she waited until he was sleeping in on a Saturday morning, and borrowed his truck to haul manure. Lesson learned. ;-)

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

I feel like this same criticism should apply for the Model S Plaid then too since it accelerates faster than almost every car and is heavier than most cars as well.

I’m not sure how much the weight really matters if you’re colliding with a cyclist or pedestrian anyway though.

Valid point about the height, but it’s no different than any other modern truck on the road today (all of which are too high if you ask me).

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

>It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. I got a rental car recently and they gave me a bright red pickup because it was the fastest option. I was surprised by the good vibes I got from all the other pickup drivers, lol. It's like I got inducted into a secret club for a day with a lot of waves and thumbs up. A woman went up to my group in a parking lot and said something like "Hell yea…

Same reason motorcycles nod to each other (in the UK) or give the hand signal in the US.

For the UK if you are mad enough to ride on two wheels in our weather you are in the club.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

Trucks are more dangerous to pedestrians because of the higher and flatter front--means people end up underneath rather than above if they are struck. I understand why they kept the look the same and why they used that space but in the future would prefer that they made changes to make it safer for everyone and not just the occupants. The high hoods make for poor visibility around the front.
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