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Re: India’s second wave

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Post by mikem170 »

sangnoir wrote: post #405
mikem170 wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> shut down for the survival of your species Do you really believe the survival of our species is at stake? There have been 1754 covid-19 deaths per million people in the USA since the start of the pandemic [0], a seemingly reliable number. That works out to 1 out of 570 people that have died of covid. Mostly older and less healthy folks. Part of the problem may be that not everyone is that scared. Living in democrac…

> That works out to 1 out of 570 people that have died of covid. Mostly older and less healthy folks. Your assumption is that what the USA went through, with the shutdowns is the worst-case scenario. I posit that it is not - things could have been far worse in terms of death, as well as second- and third-order effects on the economy, jobs and food security.

You said "the survival of the species" was at stake. Are you telling me that you stand by that comment? Do you really think this coronavirus might have killed off our species?

There is zero science supporting this. In fact, to the contrary, experts from the beginning expected this to peter out on its own [0]:

> 2019-nCoV joins the four coronaviruses now circulating in people. “I can imagine a scenario where this becomes a fifth endemic human coronavirus,” ... “We don’t pay much attention to them because they’re so mundane”

> Odds: Moderate. “I think there is a reasonable probability that this becomes the fifth community-acquired coronavirus,” Adalja said, something he expanded on in his blog. Webby agreed: “I have a little bit of hope that, OK, we’ll put up with a couple of years of heightened [2019-nCoV] activity before settling down to something like the other four coronaviruses.”

> Odds: Pretty good. What we may be seeing “is the emergence of a new coronavirus … that could very well become another seasonal pathogen that causes pneumonia,”

Your statement about "survival of the species" seems outlandish, according the the science I read. Your above reply "things could have been worse" is not an adequate defensse of such an alarmist statement.

Do you have any references supporting your position? oit appears so far that you do not.

You should keep in mind that not everyone shares your paranoia and want to get on with as much of their lives as possible. We live in democracies and other people will rightfully object to you imposing your views on all of them without better justification.

[0] https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/04/two-scenarios-if-new-cor...

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by fogihujy »

sangnoir wrote: post #405
mikem170 wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> shut down for the survival of your species Do you really believe the survival of our species is at stake? There have been 1754 covid-19 deaths per million people in the USA since the start of the pandemic [0], a seemingly reliable number. That works out to 1 out of 570 people that have died of covid. Mostly older and less healthy folks. Part of the problem may be that not everyone is that scared. Living in democrac…

> That works out to 1 out of 570 people that have died of covid. Mostly older and less healthy folks. Your assumption is that what the USA went through, with the shutdowns is the worst-case scenario. I posit that it is not - things could have been far worse in terms of death, as well as second- and third-order effects on the economy, jobs and food security.

Worst case would be healthcare systems collapsing, and a majority of essential workers falling ill, dying, or simply refusing to go work. It would possibly cause severe supply chain disruptions, which in its turn could result in local food shortages, civil unrest and so on. If such a situation would be allowed to spiral out of control, it could very well result in a systemic collapse, especially on a local or regional level. On a global level, it's less likely.

Systemic collapse does not mean societal collapse or the end of humanity, or even civilization. The collapse will be a horrible affair and it might take centuries to get back on track if things get real bad. Humanity would still be around, though, and we're not threatened as a species.

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Post by vadlamak »

devdas wrote: post #317
hesarenu wrote: post #136

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Maybe they should advertise it like that. I and most i know are wearing thinking it would reduce our risk to exposure.

It was advertised like that. The mask deniers were louder.

India really needed to keep up consistent messaging about wearing masks, promote easy to understand infographics (for folks who cannot read)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si...

The government, the lax attitude of the public and inconsistent messaging has lead to this situation. It is heart breaking to see so many lives lost needlessly where something as simple as wearing a mask effectively could have averted this disaster.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by vadlamak »

thedrbrian wrote: post #406
dredmorbius wrote: post #342

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In today's news: "An unvaccinated worker set off an outbreak at a U.S. nursing home where most residents were immunized." An unvaccinated health care worker set off a Covid-19 outbreak at a nursing home in Kentucky where the vast majority of residents had been vaccinated, leading to dozens of infections, including 22 cases among residents and employees who were already fully vaccinated, a new study reported Wednesday…

And what has that got to do with people like me whom have had the rona and not died? It doesn’t mention that the worker had and recovered from the rona, just that they were unvaccinated. Even the WHO have started to admit to immunity through exposure.

unfortunately it is not about the individual who can get corona and can recover from it. It is about stopping the spread into the community to prevent the vulnerable individuals from catching on to the virus and breaking the transmission chain.

I am certain most of the world population can get covid and recover, but that is no justification to allow it to spread uncontained and cause so many preventable deaths.

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Post by efa »

nradov wrote: post #253
devonbleak wrote: post #235

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Not with that attitude it's not. It's not that they can't afford it - it's that they're unwilling to actually leverage the wealth of their country to do it. I seriously don't understand the thinking that resources are still so scarce that an entire country like India somehow can't afford to meet the basic needs of its people (let alone the US). If the resources exist you figure out how to get them to the people that…

Redistributing wealth won't help if the store shelves are empty. People have to be out there working and making stuff or else we won't have any stuff.

Then you tag certain works as "essential" and then eventually everyone argues that they are essential.

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Post by efa »

chrismat wrote: post #210
supernovae wrote: post #183

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Texas is not normal :) Most of us are staying home still, in the major cities we collectively wear masks regardless of our goofy gov. Large places of employment still aren't opening offices and many that are talking about opening are doing so with the realization it won't be like it used to be...

Not sure where you live - but I travel full time in an RV and have stayed and traveled through El Paso, Austin, Houston, San Antonio and everywhere in between in the last 3 months. Maybe some are still hiding at home, but from my experience the overwhelming majority of Texans seem to be out enjoying the sunshine and open businesses.

Agree. White collar workers are mostly working from home. But everyone is out and about (mostly wearing masks). Most fast food restaurants have their dining rooms closed, but plenty of sit down places.

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Post by efa »

burlesona wrote: post #343
chrismat wrote: post #210

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Not sure where you live - but I travel full time in an RV and have stayed and traveled through El Paso, Austin, Houston, San Antonio and everywhere in between in the last 3 months. Maybe some are still hiding at home, but from my experience the overwhelming majority of Texans seem to be out enjoying the sunshine and open businesses.

Living in Austin I would say it’s a mix, but the main thing is that you now have about a third of people (including most of the high risk) who are vaccinated (at least the first dose) and joining the ... 1/5? Or so? ... who “don’t believe in COVID.” Combined that’s a decent chunk of the population getting back out. I think it’s still quiet compared to normal, but it sure seems like one giant party compared to the las…

Yeah, the traffic is starting to suck again!

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Post by valarauko »

pknerd wrote: post #400
valarauko wrote: post #386

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I haven't heard this particular Baba Ramdev remedy, though I don't think he'd suggest olive oil - he'd pick something native. Part of the issue in the Indian middle class (with presumably similar things in Pakistan) is the strong desire to find wisdom in old folk remedies. I can't begin to count the number of WhatsApp forwards early in the pandemic touting gargling with salt water as a means to combat the virus. That…

Yes Asians have lots of such hacks based on wisdom of ancient ppl. Many work too. My only concern is ppl don't take precautions like masks etc after following such hacks. In Pakistan ppl started taking a Herb based on Prophet Hadith which has nothing to do with this covid-19. Some one recommend and everyone started following as a religious obligatory. Many suffered from dirrehea . My friend died due to one of these h…

Sorry to hear about your friend.

While these nuskas might work for some things, it's the sheer confidence with which they were touted to work on COVID-19. Gargling with warm salt water might help with the symptoms of congestion, but will it eliminate coronaviruses before they take hold? The WhatsApp forwards virtually offered guarantees: "do this everyday and you'll never get COVID-19"

"Our ancestors didn't have such problems because they ate lots of ghee", etc etc

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Post by dredmorbius »

vadlamak wrote: post #424
thedrbrian wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what has that got to do with people like me whom have had the rona and not died? It doesn’t mention that the worker had and recovered from the rona, just that they were unvaccinated. Even the WHO have started to admit to immunity through exposure.

unfortunately it is not about the individual who can get corona and can recover from it. It is about stopping the spread into the community to prevent the vulnerable individuals from catching on to the virus and breaking the transmission chain. I am certain most of the world population can get covid and recover, but that is no justification to allow it to spread uncontained and cause so many preventable deaths.

Yes, this.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by xtnmclain »

Indian Government needs to do something about this. Especially that it is happening all over the country, the death rate has reached its all-time high. This stat line might not even be accurate as people are dying remotely far away to the point that Governments are unaware.
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