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Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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I've considered it! I use an ErgoDox, and there's just enough space in the middle for a numpad. But I often stick my phone there, and I just don't think I'd use it very often. Technically I can pop up a layer to turn the right side keys into a numpad (advantage of ortholinear) but I don't quite have the muscle memory to really take advantage of it so that's basically wasted. I've mulled over having a special lighting…

I've been thinking about buying a trackpad and an ergodox and putting the trackpad in the middle. Think it will fit? Think that's a good idea? Where do you put the mouse when using an ergodox?

I use a trackball to the right of the righthand side

A trackpad should fit, because you really want the halves parallel to your shoulders or just a bit tighter. Though as I think about the movements and gestures, you might find one of the halves interfering by being where your wrist naturally wants to be.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Pricing doesn’t seem that bad. I wish they’d elaborate on what “AND Radeon Graphics” means specifically

It doesn't have a dGPU specced, so it looks like it's just the APU graphics. That's a Vega 6 for the 4500U and Vega 7 for the 4700U. This may be useful for placing that performance in context: https://benchmarks.ul.com/hardware/gpu/AMD+Radeon+RX+Vega+7+...

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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I can't speak to the 4700u or the pangolin specifically, but I can offer this perspective on PopOS/AMD: I've been using System76's PopOS with my Asus Zephyrus G14 (4800hs) as a daily driver and I really like it. (freelance/web) The battery life is comparable to Windows (on integrated graphics mode, it has graphics switching available)at 7-10 hours with 70% brightness and balanced power settings using VScode and firef…

Would buy in a heartbeat if it had a 4k display. Hard to go back to 1080p after six years of Retina and 4K displays.

If somebody zoomed everything out on a 15 inch screen, would you be able to tell the difference? Have you done the test?

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Too bad it has that numpad instead of a centered keyboard. Also I don't understand why a laptop of that size doesn't have a 99Wh battery. The 1080p resolution is understandable... high DPI support suck-fest can be avoided.

Last year I bought a 4800H Tongfang PF5NU1G (sold as the Tuxedo Pulse 15, KDE Slimbook, and by Laptop with Linux, among other places) that has a centered keyboard and a 91Wh battery that's a better option than this Pangolin, but availability has been pretty scarce.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Is this system better than, say, Lenovo Legion 5 or HP Envy, they have similar price, are those System76 laptop offer better build quality, etc?

If you're running Linux, I'd recommend avoiding the Envy (and maybe all HP laptops) as they typically don't have S3 support: https://www.linux.org/threads/acpi-bios-error-and-suspend-do...

A Legion 5 will have an Nvidia dGPU, so you have to decide if you want to run PRIME or something else and see how the external monitor outputs are muxed if that's important to you.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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A dragable laptop with a numpad. No thanks. What programmer or devops consultant needs a numpad? Unless they're coding in hex.

I long for a ~13-14" 2k AMD Ryzen ultrabook. So far the screen is always subpar. I've been using 2560 resolution on my X1 yoga now for 2 years and I can't go back to 1080.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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I agree you probably won't find this in a laptop ever, thanks to the standard keyboard design still being stuck with strange quirks, some of which were already outdated in the era of actual typewriters. That said if you're a numpad user a keyboard with centered numpad is pretty much the best concept other than the rabbit hole of custom ergonomic keyboard layouts. Either way you can only get into that realm with a lot…

Go down the rabbit hole! :) You’re one text file away from plopping a numpad anywhere you want on the laptop’s keyboard. Right Alt + K is the center of a numpad on my XPS 13.

Oh don't worry, I'm already neck deep. Anything other than a 40% columnar staggered layout doesn't cut it anymore ;)

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Really? On a 13" display? I bet in a blind AB test at a normal viewing distance you wouldn't even be able to accurately tell me which is which.

There's no need to bicker about this. A 13 inch display at 4K has about 340 pixels per inch along the diagonal. At 1080p it would have about 170 pixels per inch. Perfect vision is usually understood to be the ability to discern details of about 1/60 of a degree, or 0.29 milliradians. By the arc length formula (s=rθ), we find that the distance needed to precisely align this angle with the level of detail provided by a…

I never understood the "eye resolution=screen resolution -> good enough argument".

First of all the cone spacing in the fovea is around 31arcsec or about half the arcmin you assume. IMO that is more relevant than the 20/20 vision number because that number is not based on any intrinsic quantisation of the visual system but rather mostly limited by blur which tends to be very much not gausian -> not an ideal low pass filter for most eyes.

Now consider the nyquist shannon sampling theorem that tells us that any signal we want to fully capture needs to be sampled at at least twice the frequency of the highest frequency of interest. So if we want to be able to fully represent any state of our visual system on a display we need at least twice the resolution of our visual system (ignoring for a minute that that assumes an ideal lpf which your eye is not as stated above). so already 4x your 1arcmin resolution number.

But that all quickly becomes rather theoretical when you look at jagged elephant in the room: aliasing and scaling! a lot of what we look at is either rendered with pixel precision being very prone to aliasing at scales that are much much larger than your pixel pitch (see this worst case demonstration https://www.testufo.com/aliasing-visibility) or image or video files that might be displayed at a size that isn't an integer multiple or fraction of its native resolution. scaling just like aliasing causes artifacts that go way beyond the scale of your pixel pitch and one way to mitigate the issue is to just have a very high target resolution to scale too. So yeah I don't thing "can't distinguish individual pixels" is a meaningful threshold and even way beyond that there is still benefit to be had even for those with less than perfect eyesight

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Has anyone in Canada ordered from system76?

I'd expect to get dinged for GST or HST, but were there any additional surprise brokerage fees or duties?

This thing is really up my alley and I just got my first decently paying, steady software job...

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