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Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by anonll394e92 » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 9:47 AM UTC

throwthrow420 wrote: post #370

anonll394e92 wrote: post #110

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Thank you. I believe I have enough experience to tell if a girl is enjoying her time with me or not and go out of my way to make her feel good (I perform oral and am generally not defensive). When I say I look for 'permissive' girls I mean I look for girls that permit kissing and "sports fucking". I don't choke / slap / hair pull or whatever. If a girl gives signs that she doesn't enjoy sports-fucking I don't persist…

I think many people could benefit by reading “Revolting Prostitutes” by Juno Mac and Molly Smith. I covers how sex worker’s rights are related to worker’s rights in general. > I believe I have enough experience to tell if a girl is enjoying her time with me Do consider that it is in the service provider’s interest to make you think this. When you are paying money for experience, you can’t use how the experience makes…

I have no problem with a girl acting that she likes me in order to get my money. If she truly is that good of an actor then props to her. I only have a problem if she is forced into this profession by someone and my personal belief is that one can not be a perfect actor while being forced and abused by someone.

> Can’t you see how in this situation it would be in the sex worker’s interest to give signs she enjoys your thing? If she does not, she looses a customer.

You are speaking from theory and books. I speak from experience, I have been to a lot of girls that will tell you right quick that you are going too hard, won't like any position you want and are generally openly obnoxious to you so that you will leave as fast as possible. Usually you will find these after 23pm with low prices. I could write a small book on all types of sex workers I've encountered and very few of them are actually pleasant to be around. Now is that because they select their own customers just as the customers select them or because they're acting we will never know.

> It just might be the only realistic option for someone.

You are victimizing them because you haven't met them. I have yet to find a girl that is actually grateful as you would expect someone to be when they earn in 30 min what others work a whole day for. They could find a corporate job that easily pays 600-700 euros, live with a roommate and cook their own food like most other girls in Bucharest or have sex for 2h per day and make 4 times that. 99% of them, even the ones I carefully select are arrogant and spend money like there's no tomorrow living an expensive lifestyle. Can't really blame them because I am basically doing the same thing but to suggest these are hidden victims is really showing your lack of inexperience.

I'm not saying there aren't victims of abuse, what I'm saying is that it is hard to hide such abuse.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 9:51 AM UTC

mymythisisthis wrote: post #114

ChuckMcM wrote: post #67

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I wonder if the answer isn't more mundane, money. Parents today seem to have no problem with their children seeing a movie where people are eviscerated on screen but won't let their kids see movies with sex in them. I found it funny that "Bridgerton", and "Game of Thrones" both produced with more sex, have been quite popular.

I don't think it's just the parents. I think Hollywood relies on an export market. They don't want any country blocking a film from being shown to teens, in the theatres. Teens have the largest disposable incomes, of any market segment, especially when it comes to watching movies. Comical violence is an easy sell. If you add anything sexual, there is the risk of it being censored.

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Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by pbhjpbhj » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 9:51 AM UTC

tux1968 wrote: post #351

PurpleFoxy wrote: post #290

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What about when all of the unfilled job listings include this requirement? The only way I can see prostitution as ethical is if someone can choose to have no job and be fairly comfortable.

I get what you're saying and think that's a pretty reasonable view. But why do we see having to use your brain to earn a living, or use your muscles to earn a living as any less exploitative? Why is any job ethical unless someone can choose to have no job and be fairly comfortable? Either way, you're essentially forced to do something you'd otherwise not do.

So you'd wank a stranger off as soon as carry their bag?

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by TomSwirly » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 9:54 AM UTC

throwaway8581 wrote: post #345

airhead969 wrote: post #325

Fuck all that mass-media social programming propaganda. Murder and violence are "okay," while sex and sexuality are "bad." I'll walk around naked, look at women, and hookup whenever I damn well please. Sex is awesome, bodies are beautiful, and no shame is necessary for either. Films that cannot be made in modern America: - Laura, les ombres de l'été (1979) - Lolita (either) - Pretty Baby (1978) - Caligula (1979) - Ro…

Sex is not harmless. While it is one of the great human joys, it is also the source of some of our deepest despairs, intractable conflicts, and personal tragedies. This free-for-all free love ethic that you celebrate, which erased almost all of the previous social restrictions on sex, inevitably created the discontent that boiled over into the #metoo phenomenon. It is also fueling the growing incel phenomenon. It is…

> This free-for-all free love ethic that you celebrate,

Who said that? Why - no one!

> every single human society has seen it fit to strictly control sex.

A link would be very helpful in proving your dramatic and dubious claim...

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by TomSwirly » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 9:55 AM UTC

milchek wrote: post #27

This was a fun read, especially as someone who grew up with those 80s and 90s movies. That said, and as the author touches on, the action/super hero of today is a PG-13 one. Studios need to reach the widest audience possible to make the most money, so it's a safer bet. Sure, back in the day studios had the same imperative, but the licensed toy game was still young, so they didn't realise that maybe if they made Die H…

> Studios need to reach the widest audience possible to make the most money, so it's a safer bet.

As opposed to... what time in the past where this was not true?

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by saithound » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 9:56 AM UTC

ahthat wrote: post #286

saithound wrote: post #82

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Others have explained why certain jobs are "segregated", and how sex work could plausibly fit into that category. But even if it does not, there's nothing we can learn about sex work from the reactions described above. Isn't it strange how most programmers think that specialist barista work is not demeaning, but would quit on the spot if they were instructed to serve morning coffee to the management? Oh wait, it's no…

If it were part of the job description, there would be nothing wrong with being asked to serve coffee to management, no matter what your position is. If it is not in the job description, then it is generally inappropriate.

Neither is wrong in the sense that it goes against any proven cosmic principle (depending on where you live it might go against national law, see below).

It's just that, as it was written above, the people who would be requested to do it "feel revulsion at the idea and none would support it". They'd coordinate against ones that tried to normalize such a policy.

Many programmers don't want to live in a world where they have to agree to serve coffee every morning if they want to make their living as programmers. And they have sufficient leverage to make sure that things won't turn out that way. Doesn't mean that they have anything against people who choose to make their living serving coffee. That's the whole point.

People have even stronger feelings about the importance of sexual service not being part of receptionist job descriptions. They felt so strongly about it that they outlawed the practice, and they make sure that it stays illegal even in countries where prostitution is otherwise allowed.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by TomSwirly » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 9:56 AM UTC

willyt wrote: post #406

prirun wrote: post #317

I have never understood why nudity and consensual sex - basically harmless activities - are deeply frowned on by the ratings groups, yet stabbing someone in the throat and having their blood gush out everywhere is fine and dandy. Everyone knows that men have dicks. Why is seeing one such a big deal? Or a butt for that matter: everybody has one! It's no wonder our society is screwed up when it comes to our bodies. We…

Try some European stuff? These are all excellent and non-violent: - Normal People - Call my agent (Dix pour cent) - Fleabag

Fleabag was brilliant but the first season was a very difficult watch towards the end.

I would recommend it to anyone but don't think it's just a laugh.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by toyg » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 9:58 AM UTC

EdwardDiego wrote: post #300

miserablegit wrote: post #66

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Eh, kinda. Luther? Sherlock? Global sex-symbol superstars right there. The same forces at play in Hollywood are at work in London, it's just that the best-looking ones move out to California as well.

Luther, okay, I'll grant you, it's Idris Elba. But everyone else around him (aside from his ex) looks rather, well, normal and British. Ruth Wilson is a great actress, and, in my opinion, somewhat attractive, but she's not of the "Moved to LA and looking for stardom" mould that a lot of American actors and actresses fall into.

“Somewhat” attractive? Ruth Wilson is very hot, if you excuse my objectifying. She’s had interesting career moves, but would definitely not look out of place in any US movie or tv series...

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by tux1968 » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 10:00 AM UTC

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #423

tux1968 wrote: post #351

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I get what you're saying and think that's a pretty reasonable view. But why do we see having to use your brain to earn a living, or use your muscles to earn a living as any less exploitative? Why is any job ethical unless someone can choose to have no job and be fairly comfortable? Either way, you're essentially forced to do something you'd otherwise not do.

So you'd wank a stranger off as soon as carry their bag?

Depends entirely on how much you're paying now doesn't it.

But that wasn't the condition that the OP said made him comfortable. He said he'd be okay with legal sex work only as long as the person could otherwise live a life of comfort without the need to work. He didn't say he'd be okay with legal sex work as long as the person could have chosen to carry a bag instead.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by throwaway72h9a » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 10:01 AM UTC

throwaway99292 wrote: post #379

anonll394e92 wrote: post #37

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Personally I use escorts, it is not easy finding an independent, good looking, permissive, not-very-expensive girl but by my calculations that's a far more efficient way of satisfying my inner-chimp until I want to get married and have kids. I do not want to participate in some mating ritual that involves two persons lying to each other in order to just relieve some sexual tension. In Romania I do not feel that gener…

Hey I'm glad to see another fellow HNer with a similar mindset - I've actually had those same calculations as you and made similar choices. In fact I travel quite a bit and have basically tried escorts in at least 30+ countries (including Romania). I see a problem developing though where having so easily "hooked-up" with good looking women for money anywhere I am, even if I do get married at some point, I fear my urg…

How do you prevent catching nasty STD's while trying out so many escorts? Like a lot of the infections like herpes, gonorrhea, Chlamydia and even herpes are spread through kissing and oral sex, so even condoms don't always save you. And a lot of these infections can be asymptomatic so a quick look at the girl also doesn't help. Have always wondered how people who follow lifestyle like you deal with this.