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Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Post by nobody9999 »

jimbob45 wrote: post #403
LordDragonfang wrote: post #141

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>how many black and white walkers actually jaywalked Are you seriously proposing that 98% people of color could be a representative sample of jaywalkers, or are you a bad troll? That pretty clearly shows a bias in the level of policing.

Drawing conclusions with incomplete information is irresponsible, no matter how good the intentions.

You have incomplete information.

As I said, all you have to do is spend an hour (or even ten minutes) in midtown Manahattan to see that everyone jaywalks all the time in NYC.

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Post by nobody9999 »

_Wintermute wrote: post #216
hmottestad wrote: post #211

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In Italy and also bigger cities in France you probably only have the right of way if they hit you. I remember once in Paris standing at a main road for 5 min waiting for someone, anyone, to even slow down slightly. When I did try to venture across the zebra the cars all had to stomp on their brakes as if they were surprised that waiting at a regular zebra meant I intended to cross.

Pedestrian crossings in Paris really are a leap of faith, you just have to be assertive and walk out hoping the driver isn't looking at their phone, otherwise you'll stand there for hours because no-one will stop for you.

>Pedestrian crossings in Paris really are a leap of faith, you just have to be assertive and walk out hoping the driver isn't looking at their phone, otherwise you'll stand there for hours because no-one will stop for you.

Which, I guess, is why I felt so comfortable while in Paris. Exactly the same is true in NYC.

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Post by CalRobert »

thex10 wrote: post #315
nomel wrote: post #274

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As someone that nearly hit someone that walked out from behind a bush, with a chemically fueled disregard for the world, I don't think the rules are so bad. As unpopular as the opinion appears to be here, I don't like the idea of having to dodge humans randomly entering the road. Should we also take down the signals and barriers that prevent cars from crossing train tracks, since they have the similar goal of prevent…

> I don't like the idea of having to dodge humans randomly entering the road Attitudes like that are why cars are the number one killer of small children in the USA. I think the idea is that car drivers should be able to see a human and adequately respond to avoid deadly collision (this usually means driving slowly and with more caution in areas where there are humans. this also can mean driving a lighter/smaller veh…

All children, and even young adults. Drivers are scything down tens of thousands of people a year and for the most part we do. not. care. We won't even charge them with negligence (again, if sober). It's OK to slaughter children with your car ("vehicular manslaughter", that is - because it's OK if it's vehicular)

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Post by pelliphant »

tomxor wrote: post #416
teloli wrote: post #251

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Oh man, am I glad to be European. Walk to the bar, cycle to work, take the tram if it rains. American cities built for cars are just so sad.

I've never heard anyone self identify as "European" before, do you not feel a stronger personal identity to your own country? Or is it a "in the context of HN and the US affect"?

On the internet I often identify myself as "European".

The reason is usually because americans seem to assume that everyone is an american, so it is to clarify that I have a non-american perspective.

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Post by Liskni_si »

dcolkitt wrote: post #341
teloli wrote: post #251

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Oh man, am I glad to be European. Walk to the bar, cycle to work, take the tram if it rains. American cities built for cars are just so sad.

Except, the difference is mostly a stereotype that isn't held up by the data. In France, 70% of commuters travel by car and only 3% by cycling.[1] That's less car-centric than America for sure. But Americans have a misguided notion that all Europeans live in quaint pedestrian-friendly town centers that look like Prague or Copenhagen. Mostly because we tend to spend our European tourism in the dense centers of the cap…

Prague is not pedestrian-friendly at all. You probably meant "Vienna or Copenhagen". :-)

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Post by greyhair »

BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 wrote: post #353
throw0101a wrote: post #258

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> The promise of the suburbs is a detached house, with some private outdoor space like a back yard, in a quiet area: essentially what the rich had always preferred and been able to afford. You can do that and still have density. Things were built like that pre-WW2; see street view of this Toronto, Canada neighbourhood: * https://www.google.com/maps/place/150+Westminster+Ave,+Toron... Those houses (actually land) are…

Post WWII bylaws mandated super wide streets and wide separation between houses, ostensibly for fire protection. I spent Grade 6 through 13 (Ontario prolonged the torture) in a new build Toronto suburb. Virtually no transit to speak of and the nearest bus stop a twenty minute walk away, followed by nearly an hour to get downtown. Cycling was faster - still is,even with decades of transit improvements. After high scho…

Other than commuting, and grocery shopping, my car also stays parked. My wife and I only looked at small urban areas to live (we both lived urban when we met). I have telecommuted through COVID, and in the last year, I have only put 3500 miles on my car (now fourteen years old), and that includes three months of commuting before we went 100% on-line.

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Post by js2 »

wololo wrote: post #362
js2 wrote: post #334

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Here in Raleigh, NC, Wade Ave was paved through Oberlin Village: https://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/article237167884.html Many other examples: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/03/role-of... https://www.dispatch.com/in-depth/lifestyle/2020/12/03/black... https://catalyst.independent.org/2020/04/02/how-the-u-s-gove... https://www.facingsouth.org/2020/06/bitter-history-behind-hi... https://archive.thi…

"Wade" Ave... as in Wade Hampton III?

> The road is named after Stacy Wilson Wade. He was the North Carolina Secretary of State from 1933 to 1936. He was also a member of the Board of Trustees for North Carolina State University.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wade_Avenue

Fun tidbit: there's a house along the road that is not what it appears to be:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QobxnFYhMos

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Post by curryst »

teloli wrote: post #385
biztos wrote: post #358

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Totally doable in San Francisco, Santa Monica, and Downtown Los Angeles, just to name three I know well enough in California to know that about them.

I’m only familiar with San Francisco, but every time I’m there I see that most people use Uber and Lyft instead of the bus.

Buses are under-utilized, but walking and various forms of wheeled transportation (motorized longboards, those one wheel things, bikes, scooters, etc) are popular.

San Francisco is only about 7 miles wide. You can walk from one side of the city to the other in about 2 hours. When I lived there, I walked almost everywhere. The only times I did otherwise was when it was a really long walk (over 45 minutes), or I needed to be somewhere fast. The bus will not get you anywhere fast, it's only about twice as fast as walking. I think that's why a lot of people use Lyft. The buses are actually quite nice inside imo, they're just slow. Plus the stigma that only poor people ride the bus.

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Post by RobRivera »

Jommi wrote: post #393
RobRivera wrote: post #357

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I love my kansas city sprawl. It's not for everyone, but it certainty isn't sad in my eyes, or that of my friends.

Great that you like it. Your health, and the world's, however, does not. Shame about that.

If your implication is that suburbia is a blite on mine and the globe's health....

[C I T A T I O N N E E D E D]

I enjoy an hours walk with the dog daily, solid lifting program, about 20 miles a week of cardio, and a vegan diet.

Doctor thinks I'm the picture of health.

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Post by 8note »

nickff wrote: post #37
rafram wrote: post #6

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It’s a minor crime which people of color tend to be disproportionately cited for.

It looks like non-hispanic whites have much lower rates of pedestrian deaths than other demographics, this indicates that other groups are likely walking in riskier areas, or in more dangerous ways, and may explain some of the 'disparity in ticketing'. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6939a7.htm

Walking in riskier areas you say? I wonder how that happens... It wouldn't have anything to do with building highways through non white neighborhoods, would it?
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