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Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by krageon » Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 8:49 AM UTC

colechristensen wrote: post #417

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> as if the only desirable world is one in which we all experience immortal bliss until the heat death of the universe. This is a very fast step beyond this point, which I think does not do it justice. This end goal is worthwhile and logical and it is not reasonable to pretend it somehow isn't the only desirable world.

The point is that there is such an aversion to endings that many people simply do not have any sense of where death and discomfort fit in to life. I used “as if” not because i think many people think this way, but because it is the de facto way of thinking when you only strive to avoid endings. In other words, people lack an appreciation for death and are so afraid of it they try to pretend like it can not exist.

Sure, if you worship death then death is not bad. That's why we call that a death cult. It doesn't necessarily follow that this is a good thing.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by GuB-42 » Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 1:29 PM UTC

canthonytucci wrote: post #411

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That's why I'm wondering. I've seen chick shredding videos, and these machines are fast. You can't even see the killing process unless it is in slow motion: chicks just disappear and ground meat falls down the other side. If the machine is working correctly, I'm not sure the chicks have time to process pain, we are close to the limits of what a nervous system is capable of.

What about the time spent on the way to the machine, the sound, the smell? Perhaps we can rationalize that they “don’t know what is going on” but it seems unlikely that they are having a good time. In general baby warm blooded animals want to be near their mothers. Better to cull pre hatch. Better still to just eat lentils.

I was just responding the "feel pain" part. The process is certainly unpleasant for the chicks, but here I only focused on pain.

As for culling pre-hatch, I agree with the idea. Not only it is a win for animal welfare, but I believe it may end up being cheaper and more efficient for the farm.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by cmrdporcupine » Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 3:13 PM UTC

stickfigure wrote: post #420

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The only predator incident we've had was the fox. We'd never even seen a fox around here before. Coyotes, yes. Foxes never. Broad daylight, while we were eating dinner, came out and found feathers everywhere. We had gotten lazy since we got the rooster, never had the roll out fencing electrified. My wife still hasn't forgiven herself.

Sorry to hear about your dude. I wish our roosters were that motivated. Even trimming his crest, our polish is practically blind so he's constantly being surprised by everything. He's useless for protection and frequently goes after our toddler. Our two silkie roosters are/were pretty timid, which is good and bad. Unfortunately our favorite (by appearance and temperment) was taken recently. We didn't pick the rooster…

Yeah we got our rooster from a gentleman who got him from a fancy poultry breeder here in Ontario. ("Precision Plymouths"). He was a show quality bird and absolutely stunningly beautiful, but also the guy had done some "training" work with him. He was very timid with people, and not aggressive at all. And he had come from a farm where he was just one of a few roosters and just seemed pleased as punch to have a few ladies of his own without any competition :-)

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by noxer » Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 4:36 PM UTC

trianglem wrote: post #390

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See answer above. There is no need to argue about facts. Words have meanings and they are not debatable. "Living", "death", "to kill" are rather simple words there is really no place for confusion about what these words mean.

What is the fact? When does life begin? At fertilization or an arbitrary time after that with the chicken egg. It’s a one or two word answer, so when is it?

Did you read the answer above? You obvious didn't. Also why ask me when life begins and then immediately answer it yourself. Beginnings and ends are points in time not arbitrary time spans. These are the facts.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by LunaSea » Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 4:50 PM UTC

bitwize wrote: post #195

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Nothing's ever enough for vegans. > Would be more interested in seeing more means of producing tasty food without using animals and at reduced costs to the environment. There is increasingly more of that all the time. > On the other hand it just seems like another step into the direction of turning the chickens into optimized food machines. Another step? They aren't getting any more optimized, if anything new availab…

> Nothing's ever enough for vegans. Causing zero harm to animals is enough. It's totally within reach, too. You just have to take responsibility and DO IT.

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Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by Falling3 » Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 11:23 PM UTC

jimmydorry wrote: post #378

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People made the claim _while_ ignoring the evidence. And as I went on to argue, if you really want to play it safe and assume plant sentience, you would still adopt a plant-based diet.

>People made the claim _while_ ignoring the evidence. And as I went on to argue, if you really want to play it safe and assume plant sentience, you would still adopt a plant-based diet. People would still adopt a plant-based diet because there is no other alternative right now. Purely lab-synthesized food that does not involve cultivation of any other organization is still a long way off from reaching any kind of sca…

> Purely lab-synthesized food that does not involve cultivation of any other organization is still a long way off from reaching any kind of scale for mass consumption.

I don't disagree, but I don't see how that's relevant to my point.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by majewsky » Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 1:44 PM UTC

ac42 wrote: post #371

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that droplet would be experiencing the same pressure from the air pushing inward, but also a pressure pushing outward proportional to the amount the egg has contracted. more pressure pushing out than in means fluid comes out.

Why would the egg contract in the first place? It's more likely that the "applied pressure" is simply negative...

It's the same as when you squeeze a plastic bottle. If the cap is unscrewed, the liquid will splash out of the opening. The egg is just a bit less flexible than the plastic bottle, so the effect is less visible.