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2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by ramraj07 »

qz2 wrote: post #135
tinus_hn wrote: post #124

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They have already stated they won’t: “We’re not direct booting an alternate operating system,” says Craig Federighi, Apple’s senior vice president of software engineering. “Purely virtualization is the route. [...]” https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/24/21302213/apple-silicon-ma...

Another item added to the list of why I'm not buying one of these.

Hopefully it's not just secret apple sauce that makes these powerhouses, and other chip makers make arm based processors soon enough giving us the choice we deseeve. (given gravitons similar performance bump this is likely the case)

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Post by lostlogin »

romanoderoma wrote: post #410
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #402

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> He owns a license for Photoshop 6 Uh, I'm guessing you mean CS6 rather than Photoshop 6, the program that came out in 2000. In any case, Adobe's help page[1] currently reads, "As Creative Suite 6 is no longer sold or supported, platform or language exchanges are not available for it." Since they're certainly not selling or supporting versions older than CS6, it's unlikely your friend is going be able to keep Photos…

I'm talking about Photoshop 6 That's why I said "MacOS Sierra can't even run CS6" Technically in Italy if you bought a license and the manufacturer won't support it anymore, you can use it on another platform even downloading an illegal copy. As long as you have the original license. That's the same reason why you can listen to mp3s if you own the original record, you have the right to keep a copy and the right to us…

> He owns a license for Photoshop 6, payed for it and has no need to uograde, especially to the new subscription based licensing

Sounds like the friend has a need to upgrade, and that upgrade is going to require new software. I don’t think this situation is Adobe or Apple’s fault, old stuff stops working at some point.

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Post by manmal »

rsynnott wrote: post #401
runeks wrote: post #201

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Couldn't the Pro just turn on its fans after 8-9 minutes (to avoid throttling), thus giving the best of both worlds?

I assume it does. My 13" 2016 MBP doesn't turn on its fans much unless it's busy.

My 16“ MBP is running its fans basically all day (iOS dev work and ARQ backups)

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Post by bitL »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #402
romanoderoma wrote: post #378

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Just as testimony, it probably doesn't mean much, but bakcwards compatibility you either have it or you don't, there's no middle ground Apple is one of the most capitalistic companies out there, they want you to buy new stuff and they'll try everything they can to force users to upgrade sooner or later The story is this: a friend of mine is a well respected illustrator and he has been a long time Mac user (at least s…

> He owns a license for Photoshop 6 Uh, I'm guessing you mean CS6 rather than Photoshop 6, the program that came out in 2000. In any case, Adobe's help page[1] currently reads, "As Creative Suite 6 is no longer sold or supported, platform or language exchanges are not available for it." Since they're certainly not selling or supporting versions older than CS6, it's unlikely your friend is going be able to keep Photos…

CS6 runs just fine on Windows 10. Of course it's not supported by Adobe as they were pretty aggressive in canceling CS6 licenses if one mistakenly accepted CC with the same account before in order to put everybody onto their extortion scheme, but I use CS6 as before just fine on PC, not on Mac.

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Post by AmericanChopper »

comeonseriously wrote: post #363
JAlexoid wrote: post #289

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It's time for Intel and x86 to die. But I would also be a little wary, because ARM systems are way more locked down than x86 systems today.

Why does Intel need to die? Sure they're not exactly the company they used to be, but would it be enough for them to just move away from x86? I'm just thinking I don't want just one or two or three companies doing procs.

Intel stagnated and at the same time started implementing some rather anti-consumer practices. This allowed AMD to take the performance lead off them with their latest generation of products. It’s fantastic that the market for processors is so competitive. I’ve grown to not like Intel very much recently, but I’m glad they’re here. They’ll keep the pressure on for further innovation, so AMD will either need to keep up or be overtaken again. Either of which is a good outcome for consumers.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by zaroth »

em500 wrote: post #228
d3nj4l wrote: post #13

Dave2D found the air to be on par with the Pro, at least for tasks that took under ~8.5 minutes. It only really throttled after that point, according to him.

Here's one data point: a WebKit compile took 25min on the Air vs 20min on the Mini/Pro. That 25min is still a bit faster than the Intel 16-inch Pro, which took 27min and waaay faster than Intel 13-inch Pro at 46min. The crazy thing is that both M1 MacBooks still had 91% battery left after the compile, vs 61% on the 16-inch Pro and 24% on the 13-inch Intel Pro. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/17/yeah-apples-m1-macb…

How is that anything less than mind blowing?

Twice as fast, using 1/10th the battery life.... and that’s for a part that costs Apple $70 instead of, what, $400?

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Post by foldr »

kllrnohj wrote: post #214
foldr wrote: post #116

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From the article: "While AMD’s Zen3 still holds the leads in several workloads, we need to remind ourselves that this comes at a great cost in power consumption in the +49W range while the Apple M1 here is using 7-8W total device active power." Looking through the benchmarks, the zen 2 parts generally seem to have lower performance than the M1. The cinebench multithreaded benchmark is one exception. It's not that sur…

The Zen2 4800HS also outperformed the M1 in the Specint2017 multi-threaded results, too. The M1's float results are weirdly good relative to the int results, though. Not sure why Apple seems to have prioritized that so much in this category of CPU.

It's a higher TDP part (I think - it's 35W) and has more high performance cores, so it's not surprising that it would win some of the multicore benchmarks.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

romanoderoma wrote: post #411
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #387

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I've used Photoshop CS6 on both Sierra and High Sierra. It's ever-so-slightly more crash-prone than on older OS's, but totally usable. It launches on Mojave as well, so I'm pretty sure it works, but I haven't personally used it for any length of time. Catalina is what killed it. IMO, backwards compatibility in OSX/macOS was perfectly decent for a long time. Most software compiled for Intel that wasn't doing something…

Photoshop 6, not CS6

The GP said:

> MacOS Sierra doesn't even work with Photoshop CS6

I'm not sure where they got that impression, but it definitely works!

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

arvinsim wrote: post #241
patentatt wrote: post #46

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Not long ago at all, like just a few weeks ago right before zen3 was out in the wild! A double whammy for sure for Intel, tough times ahead indeed. Apologists can hand wave AMD off by citing the huge lead in sales that Intel still enjoys, but that argument falls flat with Apple, a trillion dollar company. Maybe Intel will start to compete on price like AMD used to.

As someone who owns both Mac and PC, I am excited on what Ryzen can offer on 5nm. If Apple has these gains, I am sure Ryzen will have great performance leaps too.

I’m not massively familiar with CPU architectures, would you expect to see similar performance gains going to 5nm on x86 as you do on ARM?

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Post by AsyncAwait »

jb1991 wrote: post #415
AsyncAwait wrote: post #373

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Because you are not the ultimate decider of what to do with the machine. If you owned it, you could do anything outside of harm.

But renting implies you are continuing to pay money and will some day need to return it.

No, not necessarily. Renting just implies you're not the owner and need to follow someone's rules, (that of the actual owner), in order to make use of the rented item.

'Purchasing' a Kindle book or video on Amazon is also renting for example and yet it does not mean you have to continue paying and yet you don't own the copy as Amazon's going to decide how you're allowed to consume it and if they're going to let you keep it[1][2].

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Kindle#Criticism

2 - https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/amazon-argues-user...

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