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They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Post by Chris2048 »

hinkley wrote: post #171

All the Left politicians are talking about how they're going to spend this cycle rolling back what the last cycle rolled back and that's not what I want. We can absolutely do that, after . What I want is to know why we had a seated president who could get away with so much shit. A smarter autocrat would have taken us to a scarier place much faster. Mercifully, Hitler's dumbest lieutenant could talk circles around His…

> That's not a jab at the Right, that's a jab at Congress. When "our" asshole does something within their rights but ethically sketchy as hell, it's okay because we Had to Do It. When the other side copies us, well that is an affront to the Constitution and we must stop it.

But wasn't it Trump that talked of an "Obama judge" to much criticism? It's hard to combat court packing if it's not fully acknowledged (or it's only something the "other" side do).

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Post by Chris2048 »

pydry wrote: post #78
_iyig wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How quickly we forget the heavily-armed antifa militia that occupied 3 city blocks in downtown Seattle, whose assault rifle-wielding “security team” assaulted journalists, intimidated residents, and murdered an unarmed black teenager. Residents and businesses owners are currently suing the city for abandoning the neighborhood’s police station, providing porta-potties to the armed occupiers, and ceding control of this…

The guy who murdered the teenager had nothing to do with the CHAZ security team. He snuck in specifically to murder the other kid. I have a feeling you know this.

> I have a feeling you know this.

they call that feeling "paranoia"

Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Post by frenchyatwork »

disown wrote: post #365
frenchyatwork wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it's safe to fear unchecked power and those who are loyal to people instead of loyal to ideas For all its many failings, I think this is one of the benefits that religion (an particularly the form of religion popular in Europe during the the last 2000 years) can provide. By having a notion of some god, and a cannon, you can have a list of ideas that everyone considers good, and it makes such demagoguery a l…

> For all its many failings, I think this is one of the benefits that religion (an particularly the form of religion popular in Europe during the the last 2000 years) can provide. Europe was home to the most horrific religious violence in human history. From the pogrooms of the views to the spanish inquisition to the horrors of protestant and catholic rivalry. Even nazism drew upon centuries of european religious pas…

> Europe was home to the most horrific religious violence in human history.

I'm not sure this is true. There has been a lot of horrific religious violence in human history, most of it hasn't been well documented.

Even if it is true, it's not a useful fact. Pre-enlightenment Europe had more religious violence than post-enlightenment Europe because all official violence in per-enlightenment Europe had to be religious. I'm not a historian, but I'm pretty sure post-enlightenment wars in Europe were significantly more violent than the per-enlightenment wars.

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Post by throwaway11320 »

throwaway23452 wrote: post #378
throwaway11320 wrote: post #369

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"You can run the best campaign, you can even be the nominee. And you can have the election stolen from you" - Hillary Clinton ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77i_pC3lp04 ) "Why is Trump making these controversial staffing changes now? No one knows for sure, but it’s probably not as sinister as some fear. When the resignations and appointments were announced, some worried that a sinister plot was afoot — that Trump…

I'm skeptical about part of that story, seeing as Esper literally earned the nickname "Yesper" for being a floor-mat to the president's wishes. But I also think the likelihood of a coup is way overblown. After Esper was pushed out, the other three people resigned; they weren't fired. People said the same thing about a coup when he was first elected, when characters like Steve Bannon were in the White House whispering…

"“I am formally announcing that we will implement President Trump’s orders to continue our repositioning of forces” from Afghanistan and Iraq, Miller told reporters at the Pentagon."

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/526362-trump-orders-penta...

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Post by distherapy »

pmachinery wrote: post #184
panax wrote: post #142

The most chilling part is "But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on th…

Unfortunately if/when people do speak out or rise up about abuses of/from authority they are countered by bootlickers, or people who genuinely believe 'it could never happen here'.

the nationalists and statists are more dangerous than the footsoldiers themselves. the gestapo are like the ori on stargate. the only power they have they get from the submission and worship by their followers.
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