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Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by bialpio »

unnouinceput wrote: post #161
ecmascript wrote: post #132

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If SpaceX can have a web app for their astronauts, I think so can you even if it's "mission critical". I just don't see any argument why a web app cannot be mission critical and work just as fine as a native app would. Ok if you make an AAA-game title with extreme need of performance or if you make a database engine or something. This is however a very tiny minority of apps with extreme performance needs but again pr…

OK then, let me tell you an example, since you can't see any argument. I have this client, it's an Arkansas truck company that is hauling cargo all over US. So a few years ago they decided to ease the way, and also double check on their drivers, of how cargo is delivered. To optimize routes (fuel economy), to make it easier for drivers to enter/use data in the system, stuff like that. So they decided to give them dri…

The main thing to note here is that the moment you offloaded some of the work off of the phone, the comparison stopped being apples-to-oranges. It'd be interesting to see how PWA vs native app would compare against each other (both performing the same work).

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by m463 »

trey-jones wrote: post #195
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #62

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All in the name of UI cleanliness and simplicity . Like how there's no way to manually trigger the firmware update for the AirPods. You just have to keep them plugged in next to your iPhone and ... wait ... until some magic pixie in Apple's cloud decides it's time to push the update to you. Steve Jobs used to say it over and over again when criticized by angry developers[1] that their main focus will always be users…

I watched the whole video of Jobs, and I enjoyed it and took something away from it. I also don't think that it applies to this conversation. From Jobs's perspective here, App Store developers are also customers. So while he is talking about starting at the customers' perspective, rather than the engineers, I believe he's only talking about Apple engineers. 3rd party software devs that are building the Apple ecosyste…

> App Store developers are also customers

I found the concept of monopsony to be quite interesting here.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by m463 »

dionian wrote: post #201
foepys wrote: post #191

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True, but I can still run my program that I compiled back in 1999.

you also have largely the same OS and hardware architecture that you did in 1999

You know, apple did a really good job on this in the past - with rosetta to emulate PPC when the first intel macs came out.

It's too bad they just don't make VM stuff available, and make it available for a long time.

Yes it might be only nostalgia, but why don't they have something simple like dosbox for macos that would run mac classic apps or recent stuff.

I guess you just have to keep your old systems around

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by saagarjha »

romanoderoma wrote: post #347
saagarjha wrote: post #262

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> has enough bugs to be a totally good vector for malware Not for most people.

It's the main vector for malware on Apple phones (and mac laptops)

Most malware is installed consensually, not as the result of bugs.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by samgranieri »

saagarjha wrote: post #43

This article is missing the best part, that the new Xcode you have to use to build your app was released today at 11 AM, with a build number of ‘208. It was a really strange build in that it was missing components to build for Apple silicon: for that you need to use the old beta, which Apple has kept up on their website so you can juggle both. But that’s not all! Soon afterwards they changed the website saying the ne…

Is XBS Apple’s internal build system for their operating systems?

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by m463 »

sangnoir wrote: post #248
dionian wrote: post #201

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you also have largely the same OS and hardware architecture that you did in 1999

Microsoft takes backward-compatibility as seriously as Apple takes product aesthetics.

I read a good article years ago about microsoft and philosophical struggles with backwards compatibility.

Here was an interesting bit:

> I first heard about this from one of the developers of the hit game SimCity, who told me that there was a critical bug in his application: it used memory right after freeing it, a major no-no that happened to work OK on DOS but would not work under Windows where memory that is freed is likely to be snatched up by another running application right away. The testers on the Windows team were going through various popular applications, testing them to make sure they worked OK, but SimCity kept crashing. They reported this to the Windows developers, who disassembled SimCity, stepped through it in a debugger, found the bug, and added special code that checked if SimCity was running, and if it did, ran the memory allocator in a special mode in which you could still use memory after freeing it.

https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/06/13/how-microsoft-lost...

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by saagarjha »

samgranieri wrote: post #425
saagarjha wrote: post #43

This article is missing the best part, that the new Xcode you have to use to build your app was released today at 11 AM, with a build number of ‘208. It was a really strange build in that it was missing components to build for Apple silicon: for that you need to use the old beta, which Apple has kept up on their website so you can juggle both. But that’s not all! Soon afterwards they changed the website saying the ne…

Is XBS Apple’s internal build system for their operating systems?

Yes.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by saagarjha »

S_A_P wrote: post #411
saagarjha wrote: post #329

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Regardless, changing one week to one day is a real slap in the face to developers.

I can’t see it that way even if I try really hard. If you want to be ios14 ready I personally would be code complete a long time before yesterday.

You can't be code complete for something that dropped yesterday. Each beta build changes things.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by zepto »

saagarjha wrote: post #404
zepto wrote: post #394

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So what word would be good to describe your behavior in writing a long screed that accuses me of lacking empathy? Covid! Fires! Loved ones! US Politics! Oh my! Is this you giving a demonstration of empathy for me? I have plenty of empathy if developers are actually facing pain. Piling on to attack Apple, not so much. Apple employees also have families and many of them are in California too. I’m guessing they too are…

Everyone knew iOS was coming out sometime soon. Nobody knew that Apple would drop the actual update the day after the Golden Master. They had absolutely no reason to. The fact that this went out, and that Apple themselves were unable to ship their own software on time to support this release, is an extremely annoying move. You sitting there and saying there "should" be no bugs is nice but not indicative at all of rea…

I agree it’s annoying.

It’s just that nobody has been able to articulate why it’s any more than that.

The fact that Apple’s own software is not all updated just proves this point, since they obviously did know when it was going to be released.

Nowhere am I saying there should be no bugs. Just that this move has very little impact on bug fixing.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by saagarjha »

zepto wrote: post #429
saagarjha wrote: post #404

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Everyone knew iOS was coming out sometime soon. Nobody knew that Apple would drop the actual update the day after the Golden Master. They had absolutely no reason to. The fact that this went out, and that Apple themselves were unable to ship their own software on time to support this release, is an extremely annoying move. You sitting there and saying there "should" be no bugs is nice but not indicative at all of rea…

I agree it’s annoying. It’s just that nobody has been able to articulate why it’s any more than that. The fact that Apple’s own software is not all updated just proves this point, since they obviously did know when it was going to be released. Nowhere am I saying there should be no bugs. Just that this move has very little impact on bug fixing.

> The fact that Apple’s own software is not all updated just proves this point, since they obviously did know when it was going to be released.

I'm not sure I understand?

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