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Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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Same here: Migrated all my gmail accounts to Fastmail. Took me two days. Migrated Google Docs to Dropbox. And replaced Google Sheets and Doc with a Microsoft subscription (MS Word and MS Excel). Then there‘s the search engine. I tried hard to replace Google Search with DDG, but I have to admit that Google gives me better search results. Still I would love to leave this also behind. Finally there is youtube for me. Ai…

Thanks! We're very proud of our work. Glad to hear that you're having a good experience :)

Ah, the CEO of Fastmail is responding ;) Let me tell you this: It‘s a beautiful product with a very intuitive UI: Every setting is there where I expect it. Also the support is very responsive and very helpful. Thank you!

Keep up the good work.

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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The problem with de-googleifying is, to me, best summed up by Google+. When it was released, we were all extremely eager to leave Facebook’s abusive policies and needless redesigns for anything better. It was only one we discovered that Google+ really didn’t solve any issues at all that we moved back to Facebook.

Sure, Google steals your data. However, we have no guarantees that these new companies won’t steal just as much once they get a big userbase too.

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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Thanks! We're very proud of our work. Glad to hear that you're having a good experience :)

Ah, the CEO of Fastmail is responding ;) Let me tell you this: It‘s a beautiful product with a very intuitive UI: Every setting is there where I expect it. Also the support is very responsive and very helpful. Thank you! Keep up the good work.

Yep, I'm a hacker news tragic too :p

Thanks for the kind words!

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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I dropped all google services and it wasn’t that hard. The most tedious part is moving accounts from your gmail to your new email (I switched to using my own domain backed by fastmail). Even with a password manager and a list of all my accounts this took me an entire day. You also learn how terrible most non-software company account management is. On a lot of sites changing email is impossible. On some it lets you do…

Same here: Migrated all my gmail accounts to Fastmail. Took me two days. Migrated Google Docs to Dropbox. And replaced Google Sheets and Doc with a Microsoft subscription (MS Word and MS Excel). Then there‘s the search engine. I tried hard to replace Google Search with DDG, but I have to admit that Google gives me better search results. Still I would love to leave this also behind. Finally there is youtube for me. Ai…

Wow! I just realized that for "business" accounts Fastmail is $5/mo and GSuite is $7/mo which is what I'm currently paying.

Drop-in replacement for same/less cost & better privacy while supporting a slightly better cause? I'm switching tomorrow.

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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Genuinely, why should I care? What harm is likely to happen to my life by sticking with Google, a service provider I find convenient? EDIT: I don't want to be accused of fan-boying or astro-turfing. I just see "Avoid Big Company X because they collect your data" a lot and I just can't give a damn about companies collecting my data. Be my guest, if it means I get free stuff. My data is boring tech nerd data, use it to…

People have been raising flags about this for literally decades now and the other shoe has yet to drop in any kind of meaningful way. Everyone is tracking you online, but for some reason we only care about it when its companies that make good products that we like to use. Would you rather they not target you with ads and sell google searches for a nickel each? Meanwhile, I had an ad in my gmail yesterday for Google F…

Ads can be contextual, served based on the content you view, and Google's own Ad Words does in fact just that, as they serve ads based on your search keywords, and that's their biggest revenue source.

People have issues with user profiling, tracking users to gather their interests, and follow them with ads on certain topics across the web. Which is now illegal to do without explicit opt-in consent in the EU. Google does it too btw, with AdSense.

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> Would you rather they not target you with ads and sell google searches for a nickel each?

This is a false choice.

Also, I already pay for YouTube Premium to avoid YouTube's ads. I would gladly pay for a subscription that stopped ads in Google's Search too.

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> Google's ad service literally couldn't check my gmail account against google fi accounts (apparently).

That's irrelevant.

The danger isn't in Google serving you with more relevant ads, the danger is in that data being collected in the first place, linked to your persona.

And contrary to what other HNers say, no, we don't need to wait for a fascist regime in the US to see the dangers of doing that.

China is targeting political activists and they can coerce any company operating within their borders. Being gay or an atheist already puts your life in danger in many parts of this world. Etc.

But OK, say you don't live in those countries. How about the story of that father finding out his daughter is pregnant from the ads being served [1]. And what would you say if your credit score dropped due to your Facebook activity? Or your insurance prices were affected by those who you befriend online?

There are some real, contemporary consequences of user profiling that go beyond Google knowing if you already own a google fi or not ;-)

[1] https://techland.time.com/2012/02/17/how-target-knew-a-high-...

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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I dropped all google services and it wasn’t that hard. The most tedious part is moving accounts from your gmail to your new email (I switched to using my own domain backed by fastmail). Even with a password manager and a list of all my accounts this took me an entire day. You also learn how terrible most non-software company account management is. On a lot of sites changing email is impossible. On some it lets you do…

I live in a country which is very sparsely populated and there are really no good alternatives to google maps and google translate which work most of the time unfortunately. Most other maps services like open street maps and Apple maps are so outdated and sometimes so wrong it is even dangerous to use them for navigation. As per translation everything really sucks. But google is better of them all.

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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Dont just drop Google and switch to another large company or service. Take the chance and set up your own infrastructure!

One reason why our web became so successful is Decentralization. But, in recent years I feel like we are heading to more and more centralized web, where only a few big companies control the entire ecosystem. Take email and instant messaging as an example. Everybody can maintain it's own, independent mail service, but everybody can still communicate with each other. On the other hand there are very few messaging services that are totally incompatible to each other. Depending on where you live, you might only use iMessage, Whatsapp or WeChat. Even tough it may be technically possible to use other services like Signal or Threema, you are most definitively going to experience a lot inconveniences. In my personal bubble only very few use these apps and as if that were not enough, these few users are also distributed across a wide variety of different services. If it were like mail, everybody could use his/her preferred messaging system and still talk to each other.

Thats only one example and I dont want our web to be like Whatsapp in a few years from now. So I encourage everybody to try and use his own infrastructure. You are also going to learn quite a bit while doing so.

If you are unsure about where to start, here is a nice list of awesome self hosted services, that are relatively easy to deploy: https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here: Migrated all my gmail accounts to Fastmail. Took me two days. Migrated Google Docs to Dropbox. And replaced Google Sheets and Doc with a Microsoft subscription (MS Word and MS Excel). Then there‘s the search engine. I tried hard to replace Google Search with DDG, but I have to admit that Google gives me better search results. Still I would love to leave this also behind. Finally there is youtube for me. Ai…

I’m paranoid about my photos. I have them backed up to: - iCloud - iCloud syncs to my Windows PC - Backblaze backs up my Windows PC - Google Drive - One Drive

You could delete them all and solve the problem.

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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Would you say the same if you lived in China?

Please provide an example when Google did something harmful to some person in China. Global censorship is not an example - Google doesn't need to collect someone’s data to implement it.

It’s not about Google. It’s to demonstrate that in certain situations you wouldn’t say that so confidently, and that your assumptions are based on something very fragile, something that large-scale needle-nudging could have an influence on in your lifetime.

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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post #427

Dont just drop Google and switch to another large company or service. Take the chance and set up your own infrastructure! One reason why our web became so successful is Decentralization. But, in recent years I feel like we are heading to more and more centralized web, where only a few big companies control the entire ecosystem. Take email and instant messaging as an example. Everybody can maintain it's own, independe…

>> Take email and instant messaging as an example. Everybody can maintain it's own, independent mail service, but everybody can still communicate with each other.

It is easier said than to be done. I was hosting my own email for a long time and with the current state of play it is not as easy to provide the same UX as Gmail or Outlook. Even AWS struggles to provide an email solution that is worth switching over.

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