Not in Germany: https://faq.whatsapp.com/android/chats/how-to-save-your-chat... Don't ask me what's leading WhatsApp's legal department to believe that this feature doesn't comply with German privacy laws. It's quite puzzling. (I would've rather expected a feature like this to be mandated by EU laws.) As of now, there's no non-hacky way of exporting chats for German users. (Hacky ways include: dubious third-party sof…
Can you obtain that same information via a GPDR request for all of the information they have about you?
Messages and associated media aren't permanently stored on WhatsApp's servers, so sadly this wouldn't help much with chat export.
Not in Germany: https://faq.whatsapp.com/android/chats/how-to-save-your-chat... Don't ask me what's leading WhatsApp's legal department to believe that this feature doesn't comply with German privacy laws. It's quite puzzling. (I would've rather expected a feature like this to be mandated by EU laws.) As of now, there's no non-hacky way of exporting chats for German users. (Hacky ways include: dubious third-party sof…
Most probably not privacy related, but the result of Blackberry suing Facebook over some patent stuff in Germany. (German source: https://t3n.de/news/whatsapp-kein-chat-export-mehr-1238327/ )
Thanks for the pointer! Of course it's software patent trolling, ugh.
If an industry leader with "the brightest software engineers in the world" is unable to write their software to a higher than average standard, then I think I am in the very reasonable position to point it out and raise discussion about it. Don't place me in an ivory tower for that. Why should we just sweep this under the rug and call it a day? There is something very important that can be learned from this. Apparent…
Why are you so angry about Facebook, Apple, Google, and Spotify having a tiny outage? They are not life saving services and only cause a mild inconvenience when they fail which practically never happens for most people especially compared to "average software". > FB themselves have not learned, because this is not the first time this has happened. They have tens of thousands of engineers likely split into hundreds of…
> Why are you so angry about Facebook, Apple, Google, and Spotify having a tiny outage?
The linked issue makes it very clear that the "tiny outage" affects literally every app that has the Facebook SDK merely linked, for a frankly dumb reason (static initialization) that they should have learned from the last time it happened.
It's not a SaaS. "Uptime" for a linked library is stupid.
> They may need some better QA There's no such thing as QA at Facebook. Really. Developers are supposedly responsible for all testing of their own code, but all of the pressure is to "move fast" so that goes about as well as you'd expect.
There is, it just depends on the part of the company you're in. If you have a team run by idiots, then you won't have QA. If you have a team run by adults, then there is plenty of QA. I mean its total shite that this wasn't caught. I'd expect much better, especially as this is the second time in n months. But then perhaps working for a company run by a dick who can't listen is getting to people.
I work there (in infra). I have yet to interact with a team that has dedicated QA. Checked the internal jobs board; no relevant term is listed among titles, areas of work, talent profiles, or skills, anywhere in the company including WhatsApp or Oculus. This is consistent with the "developers are fully responsible for their own code" ethos we're all taught in bootcamp - same reason we all get to do oncall. I'm personally familiar with many real adults up to senior director level, so "if you have a team run by adults" is definitely not true. Given your characterization of MZ (whether or not it's accurate), I'd say you clearly don't have any actual knowledge of the situation and shouldn't be presenting your guesses as fact.
You can still download the history as a text file though - I did that.
Not in Germany: https://faq.whatsapp.com/android/chats/how-to-save-your-chat... Don't ask me what's leading WhatsApp's legal department to believe that this feature doesn't comply with German privacy laws. It's quite puzzling. (I would've rather expected a feature like this to be mandated by EU laws.) As of now, there's no non-hacky way of exporting chats for German users. (Hacky ways include: dubious third-party sof…
Also, you can't migrate WhatsApp between iPhone and Android. There's a utility called BackupTrans, which follows an extremely convoluted process including a step where they install an old version of WhatsApp. It seemed to work but it trips some wire and WhatsApp put me in an hour-long timeout state, twice. Since I very much depend on WhatsApp, I dare not use it anymore.
The android/iPhone thing isn’t on purpose, it’s an artifact of the organizational structure at WhatsApp
Never used WhatsApp, but is it related to Apple policies? I just ran into something reminiscent of this with Microsoft's Authenticator app - runs on both platforms, supports backup and restore, but apparently on Apple devices it's only able to use iCloud for backup rather than an associated Microsoft account.
The net effect is that if you're switching you have to redo 2fa for all accounts where you haven't separately backed up your TOTP codes.
And you are still avoiding the equivalence that everything you describe is already happening with sms messages at least, and generally much more. None of your arguments carry any weight especially since they don’t explain why it’s ok for data to be unencrypted on your google drive in the first place.
That wasn't the only argument though. If the data was encrypted with a facebook held private key, the user would still not be able to see it. If it was E2E encrypted with the only key being on the device, people will get mad when they reset their phone and get a new one, only to find their messages are gone. SMS had the same problems forever, but isn't owned by a company, thus you can't blame xyz company if random ap…
The same way random apps scraping your sms, a common occurrence, aren’t. The sms app is by google. The WhatsApp app is by Facebook. What’s the difference?
Bugs happen. Tests miss edge cases. Shit happens. This will be a fart in the wind and lessons will be learned.
Maybe lessons will be learned, maybe not. The industry seems to have very low standards. Let's let these mistakes happen over and over and let's just patch them as we go. No long-term thinking. Someone should collect all these horrible incidents and start a university course on just plainly what NOT to do.
Industry has low standards because the users have low standards. If the application doesn't start, they are mildly annoyed and go do something else. Eventually the bug will get fixed and they use it again. This has been the case for like 95% of software written in the past decade.
You can’t, it’s against their policy, if they catch you they’ll revoke your access. developers.facebook.com/policy/ 8.2 (which states “Native IOS and Android apps that implement Facebook Login must use our official SDKs for login.” This has a help icon next to it that opens a dialog on their site that shows a couple pictures and then explains “Android apps should use the default login behavior defined by the SDK, whi…
So do what the GP was hinting at and drop support for Facebook login, drop the SDK, wash your hands and sleep better as well.
this is not how real life works, you don’t get to choose all the features and you can’t quit jobs every time you’re asked to integrate a sdk. also, you are suggesting that it is a good option to drop support for all the customer accounts that have used fb login, this is silly.
sometimes i wonder if you people lost all the connections with the reality... or if you were ever employed.
The apps are broken serverside by Facebook. No amount of testing (automated or not) on the side of the app developers would have prevented this. Facebook's own apps did not break since they are on the latest version of FBSDK. What Facebook needs to do is to test whether their changes don't break other people's apps.
Are you telling me that Facebook Inc. has no capacity or ability to test their own, one of the most popular SDKs in the world, in the wild? Like have a single phone connected by USB and open spotify app and simply login after they make a backend change?
By app developers I mean the consumers of FBSDK, not Facebook.