This is a really strange ruling. It also means that all prior convictions must be overturned, as they happened on a reservation instead of the state of Oklahoma.
U.S. Supreme Court deems half of Oklahoma a Native American reservation
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#422I thought the US bought OK as part of the Louisiana purchase. Does this mean France has to refund the price?
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#423Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The center is there for the first party that chooses to leave its entrenchment. Unfortunately, that just isn't so. The evidence of the last three decades has been that every time the Democrats compromised a little, the Republicans just moved further to the right and re-entrenched themselves.
Don't fool yourself - both sides think the other is guilty of this.
The republicans effectively demonised the ACA, even though it was basically the compromise position (as it was quite similar to what Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts). I would love some examples of democrats doing that.
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#424This is a terrible article, it just cites the facts of the decision, teases the implication (OMG half of OK!) and explains nothing. Here's a review article about the same case from a while back which does a better job: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/28/half-land-... The tl;dr is that, yes, indeed, half of Oklahoma is part of land reserved for the Creek in a 1833 treaty. And almost two centuries of sub…
No income tax? Never mind injuns coming. Where do people sign up to become one? Huge percentage of population has some Indian blood. The exact definition can be worth a lot to many people. Let the drama begin!
You can't sign up. I know someone who is part (unknown tribe) , but her grandpa didn't Regiser with the tribe and she can't so she is fully American to the law. Some distant cousins of hers with less generic heritage are members of the tribe. There are advantages to being part of a tribe, but many have decided they are Americans and not bothered joining for reasons of their own.
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#425The numbers should really be 100% instead of 25% and 10%. Much has been stolen from them.
No thank you. As someone who lives in one of those states this is a worrying precedent. Maybe if their laws didn't apply to me as a non citizen I would be ok with this. As it is, I can be arrested for stopping at the wrong gas station with a firearm in my car. I have no choice but to pass through reservations on a regular basis. And I have no input in the government that makes their laws. Nor any hope of ever being h…
> And I have no input in the government that makes their laws. Nor any hope of ever being heard. Yet those laws apply to me just the same.
That is also the reality of 40 million immigrants in the US.
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#426Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ironic, given that these same tendencies were very present around the fall of the Roman republic. Rome had a similar gridlock of opposing positions of power, and similarly fell into a state where little could be accomplished due to the regular undermining and vetoing. Edit: Since most replies are talking about the empire, I just want to reiterate that my comment was regarding the end of the Republic, which imo is a m…
I wanted to provide a little near-contenporary source material to back up this answer which ought to be read by everyone. From Suetonius' The Twelve Caesars : "The violent death of Caligula [the previous emperor] afforded the Romans a fresh opportunity to have asserted the liberty of their country; but the conspirators had concerted no plan, by which they should proceed upon the assassination of that tyrant; and the…
Ironically, the Gauls who would sack Rome multiple times were more “Roman” than the inhabitants of Rome proper. The Gauls had strong chieftains and military generals, whereas Rome had weak ones.
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#427Earlier quoted context omitted.
While in effect it is abdicating, in reality, Congress is spinlocked by indecision. There are deep divides between the branches of the electorate that have brought the representatives to office, as the United States faces a number of divisive issues. Those divides, and a preference for combat over compromise, leave us deadlocked. The center is there for the first party that chooses to leave its entrenchement. When Co…
Your comment seems self-conflicting. As you note, when congress sees an urgent problem worth solving, they move quickly. When I read, "congress is abdicating its responsibility", it seems to me people are just upset a law they like wasn't passed. In other words, people want a dictator they agree with, rather than taking the time and effort to change the minds of their fellow citizens on any given issue. Besides, inac…
I tend to agree with this. Some complain about the size and complexity of federal law, but also want more federal law.
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#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
Very interesting. Is this the first time a major city has fallen within a reservation?
And, either way, what are the implications to non-tribe citizens and non-tribe governments?
For non-natives not really. For natives, it depends on the agreements. This isn't really a traditional reservation situation, since the tribes really are not going to have the traditional governance over the land. For example, the cops are not going to get replaced by BIA or Tribal police.
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#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every tribe handles this themselves, it's based on ancestry. They define their own cutoff points, such as 1/16 etc.
Not all tribes calculate blood quantum at all.
Which one doesn't and is it federally recognized? The feds are a bit of a pain on that issue.
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#430"We reject that thinking. If Congress wishes to withdraw its promises, it must say so." As with so many controversial court rulings like the ACA mandate case, our courts keep getting put into the decision because of the massive failure that congress is. Congress should either fulfill the promise or not, or whatever. instead the judicial bodies end up making legal judgements with big ramifcations that largely should b…
> because of the massive failure that congress is This is a conclusion I'm coming to more and more. It's easy to blame Presidential overreach or Supreme Court overreach, but the Congress seems to be steadily abdicating responsibility while still managing to get very little of substance accomplished. They are supposed to be the most powerful branch of government, but instead they have deadlocked themselves into useles…
> they have deadlocked themselves into uselessness
Are you talking about Congress or the country as a whole?