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The non-commercial band in the United States is 88-92FM. All the best (many college) stations will be in this band: KFJC, WFMU, KEXP... Radio is alive and well in the U.S., its just not commercial radio.

Huh. KUOW, (one of) Seattle’s NPR stations, is on 94.9. Wonder what the story there is

88.1-91.9 MHz is reserved for noncommercial educational (NCE) stations, so only they can use those frequencies. However, there's nothing that disallows NCE stations from operating on unrestricted frequencies (so long as they are licensed, of course). It's not very common, though, because radio spectrum is expensive.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-commercial_educational_sta...

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> Or that a-la-carte channel you want, you won't be watching it 24 hours per day so why subsidize programming that's on when you're sleeping or at work? You have correctly identified the business case for cinema and DVDs.

And buying DVD's is a terrible value compared to a service like Netflix, so congrats, you just reinforced their point. Like, a single movie DVD/Blu Ray costs about as much as an entire month of Netflix. Unless you're hardly watching any TV shows or movies on Netflix, that's just an awful value.

I can get an entire season of one of my favorite TV shows on DVD at the used bookstore for an average of $15. Not only does it usually take me a month to go through the 24 episodes in a typical season, but there's special features to enjoy and I can re-watch the show at any time without paying for it a second time.

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10 years ago I imagined online live tv would become 100% alacarte, pay just for what you watch... but unfortunately we continue to pay for tv like we always have, we just got rid of the box (in some cases not even the box).

I have tried Sling and have used all service's free trial, but at the end of the day I am not willing to pay full price to watch 10% of the content. I do miss watching live sports... and thankfully, we are getting more streaming options now.

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> Complex subscription options are one of the easiest way to lose subscribers. Source? Twitch and Patreon get along just fine. The existing options can continue as they are. > It's far from being proven. YouTube has already swallowed the expensive part of the deal - creating a video hosting platform. I'm just asking them to augment their monetization scheme that other platforms have already demonstrated demand for. >…

> Source? Twitch and Patreon get along just fine. The existing options can continue as they are. It’s how human brain operates. We’re very easily overwhelmed with multiple options. https://www.forbes.com/sites/iese/2018/11/05/cant-decide-wha... > Source for what? Source for a claim that selling ads is extremely unstable. Check alphabet or Facebook earning reports from last 10 years. > I don't know if YouTube operates…

> It’s how human brain operates. We’re very easily overwhelmed with multiple options.

Then just present those options intelligently. Without overwhelming the user. I'm not convinced the model I'm proposing is that complex. Many content creators supplement their income with this exact model, but YouTube doesn't get a cut.

> Source for a claim that selling ads is extremely unstable. Check alphabet or Facebook earning reports from last 10 years.

Earning reports do not reflect the revenue earned from each ad. Alphabet is a massive company that serves ads on much more than just YouTube. The mounting interest YouTube has shown in "advertiser friendly" and "kid friendly" content demonstrates how concerned they are regarding their ad revenue.

> How is operating at profit not relevant in a context of a business model? Especially when suggested business models of companies that lose money, like patreon, as a something that YouTube should be doing.

You keep bringing up how Patreon isn't doing well as though it's obviously the fault of the monetization model, rather than the extraordinary cost of deploying a diverse content hosting service that has to compete with established giants like YouTube. YouTube already has that part done. They are paying to host the content no matter how they monetize it. Why do you think deploying a new, optional monetization option will result in a net loss?

I brought up Patreon, Twitch, and Floatplane because they demonstrate there is demand for that model. If YouTube offers it, people will certainly buy it. Just the a la cart, per-channel, tiered subscription model. That's it.

Whether or not YouTube operates in the black is not particularly relevant. I'm talking about augmenting their existing ad-based revenue model, not replacing it. For the overwhelming majority of users, it wouldn't change a thing, but YouTube could stand to bring in a lot more revenue from the minority who would be willing to purchase payed subs to support the platform and creators.

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That is not a la cart. I want the option to subscribe to individual channels - ideally with multiple tiers.

They do that as well. It‘s called channel memberships. Though they are nowhere near Twitch yet in terms of funcionality. https://creatoracademy.youtube.com/page/course/channel-membe... You need to in the Partner program and have 30‘000 subs though (1000 for gaming content). This is obviously very important for YouTube Gaming. They are (finally) getting into bundling one membership per month with YouTube Premium. This…

Interesting. I watch a lot of content through YouTube daily, but I have never seen this "Channel Memberships" thing. Thanks!

EDIT: Wow. I'm even subed to MKBHD, the example you use in your other comment, and I never noticed the "Join" button before. YouTube does a terrible job of advertising that! How am I even supposed to know what "Join" means? Thanks again for pointing that out!

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That is not a la cart. I want the option to subscribe to individual channels - ideally with multiple tiers.

In your parenthesis you said, "or ten dollars a month on YouTube premium." What did you mean by that? I thought you meant that a YouTube premium subscription for $10 a month would be acceptable but maybe you meant something else.

"YouTube Premium" is a subscription service that allows users to disable ads on the entire platform (plus a few other minor perks) for a flat monthly fee. I guess it's actually $12/month, not $10/month. That subscription fee supplements the platform and creators for the lost ad revenue.

I meant that they could continue to offer YouTube Premium as a way to disable ads on all channels and support premium subscriptions for individual channels as an alternative for users who might not be interested in buying YouTube Premium just to support one or two channels.

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I was thinking the other day: if you replace the word "commercial" with "ad", it somehow seems much more ridiculous to be spending $50+ month for a video service, only to still have to sit through countless ads.

It seems obvious, but for some reason, I accepted that TV will have "commercials", but I always associated "ads" with computers. Maybe it's a regional/language thing...IDK.

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"This is just like cable but with extra steps" I don't get how everyone was in the "cut the cord" movement not too long ago when all we really have done is create another cord. $70 a month is way too much for a bunch of channels included with basic $30 package in my area: https://www.moneysavingpro.com/tv-providers/comcast-channels...

You have to watch Comcast, though. Does the quoted rate include their local station rebroadcast fee? Their "sports fee"? These two together were something like $14/month -- and not disclosed in the price of any package -- when I finally dropped their scammy ass about 16 months ago. PLUS any boxes you may or may not have to use.

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That's why I pay ~$5/mo for satellite radio. I don't even drive that much but it's worth it to not listen to ads the whole time.

Even on SiriusXM, the DJs never seem to shut up. One of my fondest "one of these days" project ideas: duct-tape a correlator to an RF front end, along with enough storage to "Tivoize" the local FM band. Record everything, recognize and redact any content that reoccurs within 30-second windows, and rebroadcast it for household/car consumption.

I built something like this, but, only for commercials, using RTL-SDR dongles and intel NUC's.

I never did figure out a way to monetize it, but, the thought was to that if you were pepsi, you could be alerted for coke's new commercials on a per-market or per-station basis, depending on how you wanted to pay for it.

I ended up turning the hardware into my P25 decoder for Hamilton County (currently running at https://cvgscan.iwdo.xyz ), but, I would kinda love to get back into that space again.

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In your parenthesis you said, "or ten dollars a month on YouTube premium." What did you mean by that? I thought you meant that a YouTube premium subscription for $10 a month would be acceptable but maybe you meant something else.

"YouTube Premium" is a subscription service that allows users to disable ads on the entire platform (plus a few other minor perks) for a flat monthly fee. I guess it's actually $12/month, not $10/month. That subscription fee supplements the platform and creators for the lost ad revenue. I meant that they could continue to offer YouTube Premium as a way to disable ads on all channels and support premium subscriptions…

> as a way to disable ads on all channels and support premium subscriptions for individual channels

Ah. In your comment you said "or," so I thought you meant "or." As in YouTube should offer this or that, not YouTube should offer this and that. But it seems like another poster has also brought up the relatively new channel membership feature.

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