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Post by Acrobatic_Road »

TravHatesMe wrote: post #316
rjohnk wrote: post #251

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If you look at academic definitions, yes, often they will state racism is from the majority to the minority. It is rather odd.

I don't understand this. For all of my life I thought racism = discrimination against someone due to their race. In the same way that sexist = discrimination against someone due to their sex. Ageist = discrimination against someone due to their age. Is this not the clear cut definition anymore? At what point did it diverge?

>Is this not the clear cut definition anymore?

People who want to discriminate on the basis of race and sex have contrived a definition of racism/sexism that exempts themselves.

>At what point did it diverge?

The 1980s apparently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by Jon_Lowtek »

m0zg wrote: post #119
rickbutton wrote: post #27

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Why? There is a massive political movement for racial equality happening all over the country. They are responding to pressure from consumers, which they very much should, because all of these companies have ignored these issues for decades. They aren't coordinating with each other in some conspiracy to silence white supremacists. The -people- want white supremacists to be deplatformed (a good thing!).

> movement for racial equality It stopped being that within a couple of days of starting and was co-opted to advance other goals. It's for "racial equality" only inasmuch as no sane person will argue _against_ racial equality. Same as "antifascism" is also _nominally_ against something that's unquestionably bad, so no sane person will disagree with the core premise. In practice, it's a militant Stalinist organization…

Antifa USA 2020 is not the paramilitary wing of a german stalinist party, even if "Antifa in Germany 1931" was one. It is not the same organisation. It is a lifestyle branding sold to left wing youth, like Che Guevara t-shirts.

Now there is an organisation in the USA that has recently started to use the Antifa Branding. It's called Torch Network or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Racist_Action but that one, too is not related to Germany 1931 or to Stalinism.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by stOneskull »

naasking wrote: post #301
zozbot234 wrote: post #288

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But that policy is not even talking about racism, however defined; it's talking about hate. Hate is hate, no matter who it's directed to. Prejudice is prejudice.

Except it's apparently fine to hate the haters. Dehumanization is alive and well, even among progressives.

i hate the hater-haters

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by CyberDildonics »

danudey wrote: post #275
ra1n85 wrote: post #13

Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

I detest Donald Trump and everything he stands for and enables, but the idea of banning him from Twitch makes me imagine a world where he didn't get banned from Twitch and instead tried to pivot to being a full-time game streamer, and that makes me laugh at least a little bit.

He would probably get banned for cheating

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by glitcher »

pingpongchef wrote: post #28
Edd314159 wrote: post #5

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I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

Molyneux, precisely, does not advocate specifically for a white ethnostate where Spencer does. However, Molyneux doesn't oppose one on principle, which for most is too close for comfort so he gets branded as one. I understand for many that is evidence of guilt but logically speaking that's not the same thing.

I've been watching the "Hate Thy Neighbor" series recently, and some common threads I am noticing among the individuals involved in hate groups include:

- They rarely admit to being racist, usually strongly arguing that they are specifically not racist

- Most of them have very strong preferences about the correct terminology to use in referring to them, as if their niche hate label of choice helps them avoid the stigmatization of the more common hate labels most of society finds unacceptable.

Many of them really sound like career politicians the way they try to spin their position as not condoning hate or violence, ignore all evidence to the contrary, and quibble over which hate labels they prefer. So yes, very often what a group is not willing to oppose can be very telling about their true position, which is often never admitted to in any kind of straightforward manner.

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Post by rickbutton »

MockObject wrote: post #409
rickbutton wrote: post #58

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A purge of white supremacists sounds great to me.

It does to me, too. Until I realize that some people are now defining silence as complicity with white supremacy. So let's hope that definition doesn't spread, right?

Silence -is- complicity.

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Post by renewiltord »

throwmehaweh wrote: post #346
renewiltord wrote: post #238

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It's like everything about ads and tracking: your business model is not my problem. Some businesses are just unviable. Compete or die.

It's funny I see this comment all the time on HN, but in a very similar scenario recently, where DHH launched Hey app and was stonewalled by Apple, I didn't see a single comment saying "hey just go build your own app store". Telling someone to "just go build your own" is lazy and weightless.

I didn't find the subject interesting but I'll complete the request for consistency here: it doesn't bother me that Apple requires Hey to use in-app purchases.

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Post by klyrs »

rayiner wrote: post #407
rickbutton wrote: post #373

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What free speech? The government isn't preventing these awful people from spewing their hate. Companies refusing to host their content is not a violation of the first amendment. And yes, free speech, so long as everyone in the room agrees that all of the humans in said room are human. Anything less than that, and they can get the hell out of the room, their ideas aren't worth discussing. If you don't agree with that,…

> What free speech? The government isn't preventing these awful people from spewing their hate. Companies refusing to host their content is not a violation of the first amendment. By your logic, the first amendment has no salutary rationale. We allow Neo nazis to march merely because the first amendment prohibits us from stopping them from marching, and for no other reason. There is no animating principle that we mig…

The first amendment is a limitation on Congress, not YouTube. The first amendment also confirms the freedom of association. On the balance, your radically expansive view of "free speech" trods deeply on the freedom of association and is unlikely to find any satisfaction in court.

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Post by disposekinetics »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #398
disposekinetics wrote: post #329

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Dead is dead, it doesn't matter if it's the klan's racial hatred, or if the eye of the party has randomly decided you are the kulak today.

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Post by [deleted] »

nordsieck wrote: post #287
rayiner wrote: post #271

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What does “academia” have to do with anything?

> What does “academia” have to do with anything? Well, when people are arguing over the meaning of words - in this case "racism" - it is sometimes useful to reference what the "experts" think. There are entire fields of study within academia dedicated to this topic (often but not always including the word "critical"). Of course, whether or not said people have anything meaningful to say on the topic is not broadly ag…

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