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OK, so do you want them to make life harder? Or just sit around? Because I prefer it when they actually do something for the ordinary citizen. Fortunately we didn't have Reagan here in Europe, so we still care about ordinary citizens.
That would actually be great. Should the government also have gotten involved in the VhS/Betamax wars or the Blu-ray/HDDVD format wars. The government cares most about their own power. It’s naive to think that the government “cares” about anything besides being re-elected.
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Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard
#422Earlier quoted context omitted.
That would actually be great. Should the government also have gotten involved in the VhS/Betamax wars or the Blu-ray/HDDVD format wars. The government cares most about their own power. It’s naive to think that the government “cares” about anything besides being re-elected.
That's what big business would like you to think, so that you leave them alone. Truth is, the government is the only thing with power that may actually give a damn about you, even if just to get re-elected. Business cares about the bottom line only. Workers' rights, the environment, convenience? All don't matter if they hurt the bottom line.
The government should be involved in regulating where there are negative externalities. Negative externalities are not - I don’t like having two cables.
Also politicians care about what the majority wants. As long as you’re part of that majority you’re fine. But if you aren’t - the last thing you want is more government power.
Businesses don’t have the ability to take away my property or liberty. The government does. Given a choice between the two, Id rather the government have less power.
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Development of a standard does not nearly equate to deployment of a standard. There are open standards for instant communication. How many proprietary protocols and implementations exist? How many are so widely adopted? Contrast that with open ones. There’s quite a lot of money in peripherals; it’s also a neat way of obsoleting older phones. Broken custom chargers were usually the reason I stopped using a phone; mean…
Deployment of USB was happening anyway. I don't understand this belief that the Commission has anything to do with USB adoption. It predates the Commissions's involvement by a long way, USB was developed completely independently and the vast majority of consumer electronics firms see no competitive advantage in making their own chargers/cables so standardisation was the direction of travel anyway. Only Apple bother d…
They do good things and bad things, however there’s a very clear delineation between pre-2004 and post-2004. It is very clear that even if it is not a direct cause then it is at least a large push.
USB as a a standard existed for sure, but rarely if ever used on phones. (The only phone I can think of is the RAZR and that was actually a huge selling point)
I remember hearing about the directive when I had a new Sony w300i (which is a phone that came out in 2006!)
I’ll let you tell me what charger it uses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_W300i?wprov=sfti...
Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard
#424I thought all these EU tech regulations might do some good But now when I arrive at any website I have to accept cookie policy, then I have to accept that they will invade my privacy and log my data (or waste half an hour un-checking boxes) and only then can I get down to the business of not signing up to their newsletter and not downloading their app. Maybe this is simpler but tech companies seem to find loopholes f…
The adtech/publishing industry is beyond belief. Instead of reducing 3rd party tracking, they've just added another 3rd party used to track whether they have consent to track you. And then they still track you even if you don't agree, because all that code is crap and/or they don't care.
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> $4 per cable That seems high considering that Anker (chosen as a cheap but good company presumably not dodging Apple's licensing scheme) is selling lightning cables on Amazon for 8 bucks [1] Amazon Basics has them for 6.50 [2] I don't think they are sending 50% and 75% of their gross to Apple. 1> https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Powerline-Lightning-Probably-Ce... 2> https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Lightning-USB-Cab…
Why not? The cables are probably purchased from a few bulk vendors and sold after the license fees are paid. That's still 10+% margin on a low risk product. Apple charges 30% for the app store, and that's very little overhead for then.
Do you actually know this or are you making an assumption? The App store seems to me like it would have some significant overheads both in cost and executional complexity.
This[1] article posits that Apple made $4.2bn p.a. from app store revenue share in the period 2008 - 2018.
Here are some of the things I would put into the cost lines for Apple's app store P&L (the company operates a combined P&L):
1. Multiple data centres dedicated to the app store and routing third-party notifications. That's both hosting of the apps and ongoing cost associated with e.g. push notifications, software updates. Each of these data centres has energy, staff, hardware costs. That is to say: there is both opex and capex here, which means Apple isn't only netting ongoing costs from revenue but also thinking about the cost of the capital invested in infrastructure up front.
2. The card processing charges associated with customers buying the app in the first place, and subsequent in-app purchases.
3. The cost of Apple's App Review Teams (three dedicated offices: Cork, Shanghai, Sunnyvale). That's 300 people.[2] There are costs behind them, too (for example: recruitment, HR, management).
4. Product and engineering costs associated with the team Apple has working on internal systems and services dedicated to app review.
5. An apportionment of costs associated with customers seeking technical support in-store and online due to third-party apps.
6. An apportionment of costs associated with the development and maintenance of services and APIs which Apple develops and makes available to app developers. (For example, sign-on with Apple.)
In 2018 the app store had seen 130 billion apps downloaded[3], with an average app size of 38mb[4]. That's 4.94 exabytes of data excluding updates.
Microsoft for many years charged Xbox developers for certification of games and patches, in part because of the bandwidth costs of distributing those patches to its customers, but also because providing this sort of service is mired by multiple perilous overheads -- which, I have to say, people on the web tend to misunderstand/ignore/dismiss.
I think what you might mean to say is that the app store is still a wildly profitable endeavour for Apple. I actually don't know if that's true or not. I know that Apple doesn't usually do things for free or at break even, but equally they run a combined P&L because breaking out the profitability of every single revenue line is very difficult.
In this instance, you could say: iPhone is a very profitable product, and app store is part of that. But dismissing the overheads or complexity of delivering a consumer app store on this scale seems clumsy, at best.
[1] https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/20/18273179/apple-icloud-itu...
[2] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/21/how-apples-app-review-proces...
[3] https://www.appannie.com/en/insights/market-data/data-behind...
[4] https://sweetpricing.com/blog/2017/02/average-app-file-size/
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The Lightning port has been around for a long time and getting rid of that will cause significant e-waste. From personal experience, Lightning already produces significant e-waste. The lack of strain relief means that my family experiences many broken Lightning cables each year.
That's not a Lightning thing, that's an Apple thing. Most of their cables suffer the same problem.
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#427The joint motion points to adopting Directive 2014/53/EU which requires common _chargers_ but says nothing about the port that the phone uses. As far as I can tell this is only for the back half of the charger / brick that connects to the wall. Yet the Apple statement, and most of the articles about this (including the linked one), are talking about the phone's connector and talks about lightning and usb-c. Most of t…
This would mean one connector for all devices.
If they allow different connectors on phones then lots of different cables will be made, and when a person switches phones then their old cable ends up in the trash.
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That's what big business would like you to think, so that you leave them alone. Truth is, the government is the only thing with power that may actually give a damn about you, even if just to get re-elected. Business cares about the bottom line only. Workers' rights, the environment, convenience? All don't matter if they hurt the bottom line.
Yes businesses care about the bottom line - but the only way they make money is by selling things that people want. The government should be involved in regulating where there are negative externalities. Negative externalities are not - I don’t like having two cables. Also politicians care about what the majority wants. As long as you’re part of that majority you’re fine. But if you aren’t - the last thing you want i…
I leave open if this particular intervention on chargers is beneficial for the public or not, but you will have to argue about chargers to make a point, not about governments and markets.
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Hang on though, the point is that the market isn’t able to address this issue. There aren’t two platforms with equal privacy available but differing power connectors. I’m forced to prioritise privacy over proprietary connectivity. If all things were equal then I could vote with my wallet and I’m sure the market would fix this... but all things aren’t equal so market isn’t going to solve this problem. In that situatio…
Because a government full of people who know nothing about technology must be the right answer. What other areas of the iPhone should the government force Apple to standardize? FaceTime? AirDrop? iOS itself?
Note that as consumer, I can't vote with my money for standardization. I can only vote for one of the proprietary solutions. So if 70% of consumers stick to one option, and 30% stick to the other option (because of other product features), standardization will never happen through market forces, even if 100% of the consumers would want it.
It gets even worse when more than 2 options are on the market, and vendors gain an advantage by locking customers in to their proprietary option.
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The rule was in place ten years ago. That's why every other manufacturer ships USB now, and even Apple puts USB on one side of their charger cord in malicious compliance.
iPhones have charged via USB since the first model.