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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by jelliclesfarm » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 2:20 AM UTC

selimthegrim wrote: post #399

NoRagrets wrote: post #335

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Why should taxes capture market value? That’s surrender to the state to keep taxing us. To ask for higher taxation is asking for the state to take care of individual expenses through redistribution of wealth. Other states don’t offer as many services as California which is practically a nanny state. The young people are expecting the state to do the grabbing so they can be taken care by the state. This is mostly due…

All these seniors that paid their dues paid how much in UC fees/"tuition"? And now they want to tell this generation to pay when they didn't? Isn't that called pulling up the ladder behind them?

No. The seniors paid for subsequent generations of public schools. Even when their children were all grown up and no longer in the school system.

It’s time for those kids who were educated with public funds and tax money to pay back. Not ask for more money from retired seniors.

So fix the university system. Don’t ask retired people to shoulder the burden of grown ass employed and able bodied younger generation and their children.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by GhettoChild » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 2:20 AM UTC

kelnos wrote: post #400

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At those prices one is better off just buying a trailer and keeping it.

Hell, I wonder if you could buy a used 26' truck in Mountain View, do the move, and sell it in Dallas for more than $4,230 less than you paid for it.

Im sure you can.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by BoorishBears » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 2:25 AM UTC

sudosteph wrote: post #56

Native North Carolinian checking in. I'm from Charlotte and I can honestly say that I grew up with more friends who had parents from New York than from NC. A lot of middle class people from upstate NY settled in Charlotte due to the economic opportunities and weather. I'd wager that this migration really started about 30 years ago, and we're seeing the numbers increase even further due to network effects. For example…

I know a lot of these conversations are about families and older people than me, so an anecdote from the POV of a 26 year old

I just moved from Durham, NC back to New England after a year (Moved to NYC specifically, this is my first time in a truly large city)

I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone in my age group (and in tech) would want to move to Durham/Raleigh from NYC, except for raising a family

The cost of living in these places New Englanders and Californians are flooding has been shooting through the roof faster than the standard of living, which is staying steady to dropping as gentrification and population growth causes very real problems with traffic, crime, and homelessness.

Ironically, the low taxes that draw people to most of these places are a result of conservative policies, the same of which lead to limited infrastructure spending and ability to handle all this growth.

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Sure I pay 40% more for less space, but I don't need a car anymore, I can still go out to nature on the weekends, I can still go out to nature on the weekends, food scene on my surrounding few blocks is equivalent to the whole of Durham (and paradoxically cheaper, CoL calculators compare things like milk and bread, but when there's a restaurant on every corner, pricing is somewhat competitive), there so many activities, the list goes on.

Also the elephant in the room for all these low COL area conversations is savings. I can save the equivalent of my entire paycheck from Durham every month, and still live off what's left when subtracted from my NYC salary.

And while it's true NYC is more expensive, there's no rule that says one day when I'm retiring and trying to live off my savings I have to live in NYC.

A dollar is a dollar. If you take a pay hit based on lower COL, you're making a long-term sacrifice based on your current situation.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by bostonvaulter2 » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 2:25 AM UTC

nradov wrote: post #302

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> Petty crime is increasing, and state laws are only enabling this - people are sick of it. I wonder if people considered voting the politicians who made these laws out. Judging from CA voting patterns, probably not. And then when it gets really bad, they move to another state and likely vote for the same policies that caused them to move in the first place.

California has largely become a single party state. I'm not trying to start an argument between Democrats and Republicans here, but we can clearly see a pattern everywhere in the world. Once single party rule is institutionalized the politicians are no longer accountable to voter interests.

This is why I really wish we had ranked choice voting (or approval voting). That way we'd have more political parties and a healthier political climate.

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Post by inferiorhuman » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 2:26 AM UTC

smaili wrote: post #359

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We moved from San Francisco to New York City after having kids mostly due to housing and public schools. We miss the city and our friends, but couldn't see ourselves there long term. New York City is expensive, but there are areas of relative affordability that feel much more accessible, comfortable, and safer than the Bay Area.

> New York City is expensive, but there are areas of relative affordability that feel much more accessible, comfortable, and safer than the Bay Area. Could you share which areas? I've been exploring NYC as well but have yet to stumble upon any areas that match what you described.

I'd say most of New York city meets that criteria.

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Post by sjg007 » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 2:28 AM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #260

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So you want to create a upper middle class transient population that is mostly tech workers? Because if prop 13 is repealed..after 15-20 years of work, the retired tech employees can’t afford annual increase in taxes either. Or is this just to get seniors to leave Bay Area by making it unaffordable for them?

Being priced out of one's home is a red herring that the low tax zealots want you to believe to keep prop 13 in place. Somehow in the 49 other states that don't have Prop 13, people aren't priced out of their homes from taxes. There are other options. There are home equity lines, reverse mortgages, or even freezing tax payments and adding them as liens on the property at time of transfer. But even if you're worried a…

With a partial repeal they should also do away with the generational tax transfer. There’s no good reason to maintain an aristocracy.

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Post by kortilla » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 2:28 AM UTC

diafygi wrote: post #330

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Jacksonville, Fort Worth, etc...

Tarrant County (Fort Worth), flipped blue last election. https://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/elect...

Which is proof of the topic on hand. The influx of Californians brought their Democrat voting behavior with them.

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Post by bronco21016 » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 2:28 AM UTC

jorblumesea wrote: post #391

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I first heard of this phenomenon the other day from a coworker that lives south of Atlanta, near the major movie/tv production area. People, from what are typically blue areas, are moving in and radically changing the political landscape according to him. He wasn’t necessarily against liberal ideas but his complaint was that they seem to vote for taxes just for the hell of it because every tax proposed is still signi…

But that's not what the data shows. People from blue states are moving to blue cities in red states. Left leaning people are moving to similarly left leaning areas. Austin, Dallas, Houston, Miami, Atlanta, when was the last time these were Republican bastions? Look at the areas experiencing huge population growth. Texas might be red but the populations centers haven't been for years.

I think in the particular case of my co-worker the blue is spilling into the traditionally red rural areas. The population centers inevitably must expand to handle the migration.

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Post by formerchamp » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 2:29 AM UTC

tmh79 wrote: post #413

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The entire idea is preposterous. The solution to affordable housing is oversupply of housing. Gov should incentivize new construction to reduce prices and let the market fix it.

Strong disagree, the solution to affordable housing includes a very large amount of private/free market housing, but the free market won't really address the needs of people below 30% of the median income. Additionally, good affordable housing is one of the best anti poverty tools that we have. IMO the long term solution is robust private market housing construction for the middle class, and a robust public housing c…

Public housing is a complete failure and the epicenter of violence in every city. Name a current project in ANY big city you'd raise your family in?

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Post by inferiorhuman » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 2:30 AM UTC

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #351

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Senior citizens in the other 49 states are doing just fine. There are problems with increasing property taxes on elderly folks on fixed incomes, the solution isn't to say "you never own any tax on the appreciated value" the solution is to say "you can pay the tax on the appreciated value when you sell your home" which is an insane liberal tax and spend policy practiced in the hippie haven of the... state of Texas. Ad…

In California, public money is spent on things like gender reassignment surgeries for govt/public sector employees and prison inmates..we have student loan forgiveness schemes if you work for 3-5 years for the county...retirement at 50 for most law enforcement and Fire Dept employees. Billions of dollars in pension funds and unfunded pension liabilities. Mayor Newsom just increased funds homelessness by another one b…

And then they try to change prop 13 to punitively tax the senior citizenry and retirees on fixed income.

I'm not going to bother digging into most of the rest of your claims but this is particularly disingenuous. Most of the recent attempts at changing Prop 13 have focused on a split roll that would keep the tax limits on primary residences. Putting grannie out on the street is exactly what the anti-tax zealots (Jarvis and co) used to sell the state on Prop 13 and 8 in the first place. What's being proposed now would raise taxes on things like vacation homes and commercial property.