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Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

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Post by xp84 » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 11:04 PM UTC

Thorentis wrote: post #78

I'm genuinely curious from an ideological perspective, why archivists think all this material is worth saving? People often compare the shutting down of sites or the banning of content (e.g. When Tumblr banned porn, or now yahoo shutting down groups) to the burning of the Library of Alexandria. But there is a huge difference. The LoA held knowledge collated and collected by the best thinkers of the time. The Internet…

> The LoA held knowledge collated and collected by the best thinkers of the time. The Internet is not that.

I am in awe of your flair for understatement.

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

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Post by eru » Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 5:58 AM UTC

Thorentis wrote: post #78

I'm genuinely curious from an ideological perspective, why archivists think all this material is worth saving? People often compare the shutting down of sites or the banning of content (e.g. When Tumblr banned porn, or now yahoo shutting down groups) to the burning of the Library of Alexandria. But there is a huge difference. The LoA held knowledge collated and collected by the best thinkers of the time. The Internet…

> It is a lot of resources thrown at saving, not the equivalent of the Library of Alexandria, but the public toilet block graffiti wall.

We have that kind of graffiti from Pompeji. It's enormously more fascinating and insightful into regular people's lives than all the stuff about kings and battles people wrote about in the more official works.

When looking through all newspapers and magazines, the advertisements are often the most interesting bit. Especially since you can probably already read about the big events they wrote about on Wikipedia or history books.

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

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Post by Dignium » Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 10:41 AM UTC

Today is Friday on the US West Coast. Today's the Day we FLOOD Verizon's Call Center, the Verizon Execs, and March outside of Yahoo Global HQ. #StormVerizon

This is it. TODAY, FRIDAY THE 13TH OF DECEMBER 2019 is the day we STORM for the Board to RESCIND their decision to pull the plug Saturday Night, to give us at MINIMUM 4 more weeks to archive our archives.

NOW IS THE TIME. DO NOT WAIT until after 5 PM Pacific Time to send your messages.

WE NEED /B/, WE NEED YOU, WE NEED THE PEOPLE OF THE INTERNET to #STORMVERIZON.

#STORMVERIZON

Please don't attempt to physically storm into Yahoo or Verizon property. Like Area 51, It's not gonna work. By StormVerizon, I mean storm Verizon's lines of communication ---------------------------------------------------- [https://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/contacting-verizon-...] Well, we’re pretty much down to CRUNCH time, as time is starting to run out for Yahoo Groups. So now I need your help.

Here is how to contact Verizon directly. I don’t have a LOT of ways to do it, but I have a few, plus they have a public contact page that I’ll give you a link for.

BY E-MAIL * Hans Vestberg — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer E-Mail: Hans.Vestberg@verizon.com Twitter: @hansvestberg

Ronan Dunne — Executive Vice President E-Mail ronan.dunne@verizon.com Twitter @RonanDunneVZ

You can e-mail almost everyone from the Verizon Company Page which is public. However, you can only e-mail ONE person a day from the site.

https://www.verizon.com/about/our-company/executive-bios

BY TWITTER * Several of them post a public Twitter ID, so to make it easier, I’m going to post them here: Tami Erwin : Executive Vice President & CEO, Verizon Business Group @TamiErwinVZ Guru Gowrappan: Executive Vice President & CEO, Verizon Media Group @gurugk Rose Stuckey Kirk: Chief Corporate Social Responsibility Officer @RoseStuckeyKirk Rima Qureshi: Executive Vice President and Chief Strategy Officer @QureshiVz Diegeo Scotti: Executive Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer @diegoscotti Shellye L. Archambeau: Board Member @ShelArchambeau Mark T. Bertolini: Board Member @mtbert Vittorio Colao: Board Member @vitt61 Daniel H. Schulman: Board Member and President/CEO of Paypal @Dan_Schulman

WITH TELEPHONE NUMBERS * Yep. I’ve been busy tracking down telephone numbers for Verizon, all able to be found online if you look hard enough. So here they are:

Verizon Headquarters Info: Phone Number: Call 1-212-395-1000 or fax 1-212-517-1897 to reach someone at the corporate office and Verizon headquarters. THIS NUMBER GOES TO THE CEO’S OFFICE. YOU THEN GET RE-ROUTED, BUT IF PEOPLE CALL ENOUGH MAYBE THEY’LL PAY MORE ATTENTION.

Other numbers:

Verizon Corporate: 1-212-395-1000

Verizon Landline Support 1-800-533-3322 – Choose the option to speak to an agent.

Another number was 1-800-922-0204 Choose Option 7

And the last one (actually the first number I started with) is: 1-908-559-4449 Justina Nixon Saintl, Assistant to Rose Stuckey Kirk who is the Chief Corporate Social Responsibility Officer

Just for the record, Rose Stuckey Kirk and Guru Gowrappan are people I BELIEVE are overseeing or are part of the Yahoo Groups Experience. Call it a hunch, but I believe it.

Remember when calling Verizon to be respectful, tell them you’re a groups user or owner and tell them the problems, that we need more time, that you’re upset about losing your info, etc. They will probably re-route you, but at least they will know you called, and that will start to be noticed if enough people call.

One more contact and I’m done here for tonight!

The Yahoo Concierge. I managed to get a reply from her because of tweeting to @Yahoo Care and that was how I eventually got to my direct contact.

Her name is Marie, and you can write her directly at: concierge@cc.yahoo-inc.com

The only person I’m not giving anyone is my direct contact, because his information is not public. But I feel like we need someone with more power than he has anyway.

I’m still routing downloading problems and other things to him, but it’s time to point out to Verizon how many there are of us, how much we care about our groups content, and how upset we are about the deadline that we have to find a way to delay.

Any and all help contacting these people is huge. We only have 20 days left to stop this disaster from happening.

Nightowl >8# ---------------------------------------------

#STORMVERIZON

Please don't attempt to physically storm into Yahoo or Verizon property. Like Area 51, It's not gonna work. By StormVerizon, I mean storm Verizon's lines of communication

#STORMVERIZON

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

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Post by droithomme » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 9:29 PM UTC

betamaxthetape wrote: post #321

droithomme wrote: post #316

Yahoo has sent emails to everyone allowing them to click a button and get a zip file prepared with everything they have posted or stored on every Yahoo Group they have ever participated in. Blog author and people here believe that outsiders with no connection to these groups have an inherent right to download and republish all this information despite having no license to do so. Yahoo/Verizon seems to think different…

There have been lots of reports that this 'Get My Data' function doesn't work. One of the demands made by the blog author is for Yahoo to fix this so it actually does work. Additionally, the 'Get My Data' only gives you access to all the files / photos that you uploaded to the group. These archives should not be considered complete archives of the group - is it really reasonable to suggest that in order to completely…

> 'Get My Data' only gives you access to all the files / photos that you uploaded to the group

Your comment is quite interesting! I did not receive only my own contributions, but got fairly large files that seem to me to be exhaustive archives of all posts and other materials uploaded by any and all group members during the entire time I was a member of each group.

It's pretty interesting if different people are being sent totally different things though as you indicate. Maybe I am just lucky.

I'm pretty happy myself that they have this method to get everything from the time I was a member of any group. I can't think of any other service that provides for that. Yahoo seems to be the most open and data accessible service I can recall. Other boards facing imminent shutdown I had to go to a lot of trouble to scrape old posts using bot scripts, which was inconvenient.