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They do though. Old content will just gradually disappear into webarchive. Let's not pretend it didnt happen. (oh and btw we will probably change that again, but the content won't go into webpages-hosted-somewhere but probably will be served directly from the user's phne)
Only if it's common knowledge. I've legit started to add "blog" to my searches to find more obscure knowledge.
The world needs more search engines
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Re: The world needs more search engines
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Oh, the requests contained much more than the keystrokes and I looked into the anonymization claims as well. I'd have to dig out my Wireshark traces to tell you exactly what was transmitted, but I'm pretty sure it was enough to id the user. And by the way Cliqz never claimed that the anonymization happens at the endpoint, from what I remember they were very proud of their proprietary anonymization technology in the b…
Thanks for the feedback, if you find something fishy in the requests then that's like a bug and we will gladly fix it ASAP. Disclaimer: I work at Cliqz.
GET /api/v2/results?nrh=1&q=pythuxs=UTlnJzAh4ULkORaiZgLPO6LW9LOWZZoO&n=5&qc=0&lang=en&locale=en-US&platform=0&o=%5B%5B%22custom-search%22%5D%5D&country=de&adult=0&loc_pref=ask&count=10&suggest=0
HTTP/1.1
Host: api.cliqz.com
1. I saw UTlnJzAh4ULkORaiZgLPO6LW9LOWZZoO in other requests too, but not all of them. Can you explain what this parameter is good for and which information it encodes?
2. Can you tell if it is possible to disable auto-suggest (or Quick Search how it seems to be called in your terms)? If it is possible then how do I do it? I couldn't find it in the UI.
3. Can you specify what the exact legal relationship between Cliqz GmbH and FoxyProxy LLC is and if there is any shared ownership or if there are any common parent companies?
4. As you can see above the requests go directly to api.cliqz.com. While the terms go into great length to explain that information is routed via a third party owned proxy the information we are talking about here is exempt from that. I quote the relevant passages here:
> This channel collects signals about WHAT you search and where you land. That is why we do not collect any personal identifier here, which makes it impossible to associate searches with users. Moreover, all query entries and clicks on website suggestions are evaluated only as a single event, disentangling these signals from everything else. Thus, we are neither able to combine data from multiple entries or multiple clicks on website suggestions, nor to link this information with personal information like your email address or an IP address, either.
> Query logging data is used to further improve the Cliqz backend. More specifically:
> To be able to suggest websites in real-time while you are typing into Cliqz’ combined browser-and-search-bar, Cliqz sends your keystrokes to our servers. With every new keystroke, our backend scans our index and predicts the most relevant results for your search query.
> “Relevant” to that regard is (very simplified) defined by the frequency a given website is clicked on for a given query. In other words, Cliqz predicts the most probable site you will navigate to, based on the (partial) query that you type. In order to further improve this mechanism of relevancy, Cliqz logs the clicks in its drop down menu and the respective queries.
I wish the terms were more clear about the fact that crucial information is indeed sent directly to Cliqz and is not sent via the FoxyProxy route.
Re: The world needs more search engines
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Source: I work on ads at Google, and if we were doing this I'm pretty sure I'd know. If it was being used for targeting it would be practical to run an external study demonstrating that.
Apologies but I can’t really trust someone who works at a company whose best interests are to violate people’s privacy, confirmed by all the dark patterns (both on the web and in Android) and their lack of GDPR compliance. I would be very curious as to how you’d prove this is or isn’t happening with a reasonable degree of accuracy considering all the factors involved in ad targeting. Unless you’re willing to give us…
And surprisingly for most of HN readers, Google has been pretty transparent on the policy of its ads business. In fact, Google has pretty strong incentives for transparency in this area due to advertisers, who give all the money anyway.
Re: The world needs more search engines
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Knowing what the most common questions are doesn't help you find the corresponding answers. At best you can find the result that users click on most frequently, but if all of the results in the result page suck then that's not going to help. Google's advantage is simply billions of dollars and 20 years of R&D into NLP tech.
> Knowing what the most common questions are doesn't help you find the corresponding answers. At best you can find the result that users click on most frequently I doubt that users have a strict expectation of finding the correct (interpretation of "corresponding") answer. Even if the most clicked answer[s] are still not correct, they may still be the ones who suck less, which can still be acceptable/desirable. Keep…
There are at least three kinds of queries that a search engine has to handle. Requests for websites e.g. "Facebook". Traditional keyword searches across the web e.g. "Twitter ban political ads", and questions "Who was the guy who voiced bender?".
Re: The world needs more search engines
#425It is impressive what they built. The results are quite good! The UI shows innovative elements like trackers used on the page. I see two problems with their approach: 1. The product is not built with the 'grandma test' mindset. More sliders and widgets is not what your grandma wants in a search engine. This is why building a search engine is hard. You have to guess with very little information what the user wants and…
You are wrong. When a product makes the world a worse place—say fridges that deplete the ozone layer—the right thing to do is to ban the product. In the case of petroleum fueled cars, they are significantly contributing to a massive climate emergency and should be banned regardless of the existence of a superior product. In the case of the Google search engine... Well in the case of the Google company, it should be f…
Re: The world needs more search engines
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The search results have gotten noticably worse in the last year. When a Wikipedia/encyclopedia article is what I'm looking for, why is Google showing articles? Wikipedia used to be the top result.
SEO is my first guess? I've noticed things on the spectrum of articles blogspam crowding out the top results in many queries, and that it's substantially more difficult to find forum content discussing related topics to the query. It's a shame, as I think there is often more interesting content on such forums.
Google's algo changes since about panda have been burying good web sites and content while bringing quicker answers and 'sanitized' aka semi-censored results to the top.
Some of this is over reaction to SEO and trying to out do the spammers - but the collateral damage to the results and thus the end users who believe that google brings the truth is hard to calculate.
Combine that with regulation like dmca, right to be forgotten and others.. results are even more censored, and the general population does not know what they are not seeing, as they still trust google to be bringing the truth.
worry about bad PR from various factions - tweak the algorithms.. and you can say for sure that the results the more adolescent google brought a decade ago were often more of what people were looking for.. and the results today are often like cheap irradiated / sanitized snacks, not the full enchilada that was once a G search away.
Much of this started happening when whats his name became that adult in the room and started putting the finger on the scale to change what millions could find, it's gotten more and more censored every update since then, and less transparent about that.
in my biased opinion.. your searches and the results will vary. I still use other engines for different things, and I feel strongly that we need more search engines. Anyone who wants to create a better adult engine, let me know.
Re: The world needs more search engines
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> And the results were made in incognito mode so Google wasn't able to cheat with privileged information about me as a user. that's not what Incognito mode does. It prevents your search from being included in the browsing history and doesn't send cookies from active sessions, but that's about it. Google still knows this is you being unauthenticated. You don't need to be logged into google to be reliably targeted with…
This comment and everything downstream from it are a distraction from their point: Run their query from your machine or from Tor and you'll see the same results in Google and lack of results in DDG. Another example is a query for "elm dict". DDG has little idea what you're looking for while Google links you directly to the docs of Elm's Dict data-structure.
Most of the time I see comments like this, people don't provide hard examples of queries they found unsatisfying with one search engine compared to another.
Re: The world needs more search engines
#428We need a service that would organize the information for us. Instead of us telling the service what we want to see, the service should tell us what's worth attention. Some people care about NFL, so they would be given the most valuable news about NFL. Others care about superconductors, so the service presents them a daily summary of most important advances there.
Re: The world needs more search engines
#429Because you can inject your ad network ( https://myoffrz.com/en/fuer-nutzer/ ) more easily if you have your own search engine, people like Google don't let you use your own ads on their results generally. I don't disagree with the premise, after all I was part of a team that tried to do the same thing (well, without the ad network) and discovered that the adtech business has become so corrupt (not that it is all corr…
Curious what you mean by "corrupt" here. I'm genuinely curious as I've never worked at a company in ad-tech before, so it's always fascinating got me to hear from insiders.
Re: The world needs more search engines
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Only if it's common knowledge. I've legit started to add "blog" to my searches to find more obscure knowledge.
Don't forget that "it seems that Google is forgetting the old web": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19604135