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We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by strunz »

burtonator wrote: post #415
mlang23 wrote: post #13

As a user, I am pretty happy about most of the negative points listed in this article. Yes, manual reviews are my firewall against too much scamming. I dont want app providers to notify me about their upcoming company party. It is already fishy enough that some app providers use their own notification system to push ads. And dont get me started on paying for updates! What comes next, paying for firmware updates for d…

You're taking the worse behavior of independent software developers and using those as an excuse to accept the atrocious behavior of Apple and their app store monopoly. Apple's recent kowtow to China and blocking apps China doesn't like is a great example. If an app spams you just uninstall it... If Apple kills an app you love there's nothing you can do...

You're also using the best behavior of the developers who have made it through app store as evidence that the app store process is not beneficial to users. We don't really know how many bad apps and malware have been prevented by these practices, but I would bet it's a substantial amount. Just look at all the horrible crap in Google's play store.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by x0x0 »

braythwayt wrote: post #170
jdnenej wrote: post #80

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That should be included in device cost. It is unacceptable that they prevent users who paid for the device from installing programs outside of apples walled garden

If we find Apple extracting rent from apps unacceptable, we look no further than a mirror for the cause. We the public don’t want to pay full freight for hardware. Microsoft used to boast that they made more money from Apple systems than Apple did. Google does that to Android device makers today. If platform makers don’t extract rent, or compete with the developers they court, they will look for other sources of reve…

Are you arguing Apple needs to juice their hardware profit margins? Because my understanding is they're very healthy and the envy of the computing and mobile phone industries.

The neglect of the mac app store feels of a piece with their utter neglect of the mac platform. They seem to be treating it as a runout.

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Post by FireBeyond »

awinder wrote: post #238
taurath wrote: post #26

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And Apple taking 30% of that... for what? Payment processing is a 4% thing. It’s in the app developers interest to make it not have errors. It’s just for access to the market. That is the only value Apple truly brings, outside of the brand and a privacy commitment

30% is high but it’s not just payment processing, it’s payment fraud insulation, download bandwidth, and marketplace amplification (people finding your app without knowing they’re looking for your app). Apple also drops subscription costs from the second year on to 15% which is coming back to reality. I personally find the subscription model way more sustainable & less user hostile than the paid versioning upgrade mo…

> it’s payment fraud insulation

Stripe charging 3-4% or less per transaction _doesn't_ include fraud insulation??

> download bandwidth

So does a free / $20 CloudFlare account.

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Post by emsy »

askafriend wrote: post #21

I'm sorry but as a user, I trust my relationship with Apple more than I trust random third party devs. As a user, I want Apple to lock down the system and make things hard for developers. As a developer, I empathize with my perspective as a user and build products that take this into account.

That's a simplistic view. Apple can impose their political views upon you that you didn't agree with when you bought the device (see the current HK Map debacle). Their leadership could change. They can and will ban Apps that are not a threat at all.

You stance also implies that there's no way Apple could allow sideloading in a safe way (real sideloading not their 7 day and/or paid cert crap). I already need to contact Apples servers to unlock my phone, I would be fine if I had to unlock my device with Apple to allow sideloading. And since this is becoming more of a free market and free speech issue, I hope lawmakers will fix this problem.

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Post by sixstringtheory »

xhruso00 wrote: post #118
Illniyar wrote: post #60

They kind of bury the lead here. They can't have their app on the appstore because: " While we still updated our applications in time, Apple did not review them for the AppStore, and instead rejected them first for a crash (sigh!), and later for requiring UI changes, including showing a Save As panel for each generated file. Now this may not sound like much, this is a serious issue for a document scan application whi…

I also have my own experience with rejection: You used/included word Contacts in name of the app; this is a trademark of Apple. My app used word Contacts before apple renamed their AddressBook to Contacts.app on macOS. I used appeal with link to their list of trademarks. I am pointing out that humans do many errors and sometimes your app is in review for 2 weeks (2019) for no reason (minor update). Happened to me and…

Not trying to blame you at all for what happened, but for my benefit as a developer and for anyone else reading, did you ever apply for a trademark or consider it? I'd love to know the details of how that worked out if you did.

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Post by pjmlp »

sbuk wrote: post #418
pjmlp wrote: post #379

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You are the one making those claims as otherwise it weakens the iOS über all assertion. N95 was just one example of the millions of Symbian, J2ME and PocketPC/WindowsCE smartphones being shipped before iOS became reality. Nokia's revenue only collapsed due to the way Elop drove the company to the ground as means to get the bonus on his contract. As the Finn press later discovered.

> You are the one making those claims as otherwise it weakens the iOS über all assertion. Nonsense. > N95 was just one example of the millions of Symbian, J2ME and PocketPC/WindowsCE smartphones being shipped before iOS became reality. And none of them are around now. More to the point, all but a handful could be considered 'smart'. We could debate what smart is, but ultimately it's moot. Pre 2007, 'smart' devices we…

Nokia is happily selling Android devices, after surviving Elop's management and guess how much market share Android has worldwide.

Apparently everyone on Europe was a business person when using Nokia and Sony phones, go figure.

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Post by lilyball »

ajscanlan wrote: post #268
lilyball wrote: post #72

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Apple meanwhile created the entire OS and all of the developer APIs that your apps rely on, including things like Metal that games rely on. And Apple gives this all away for free.

> And Apple gives this all away for free. $99 a year actually, plus 30% of all sales.

$99/year is for developer support and publishing. You can use Xcode for free and even install your app on your personal device without paying a cent. What's more, I was actually talking about the OS and frameworks which are given away for free to all Apple users.

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Post by slenk »

etchalon wrote: post #16

I completely understand why developers would find the restrictions of the App Store ridiculous, time consuming, expensive, and frustrating. But as a user, whenever I need an application, I always check to see if it's available on the App Store first. Because I can trust the App Store.

Really?

What about ALL the bugs that came with Catalina? You get that off the App Store and it's shit.

I don't think you can trust the app store.

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