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Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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There has to be an age of consent. Sex without consent is rape. I don't see the problem. Different countries have slightly different definitions of pretty much every crime in the book. Whether or not you are committing fraud, burglary, assault, etc. etc., will also depend on a number of "minor details" that may vary between jurisdictions. Either RMS thinks there should be an age of consent, in which case it's obvious…

The point is that consensual sex with 17 years old is not rape no matter what the law in particular jurisdiction says. Call it something else like sexual misconduct for example. By calling it rape you're demeaning the term. You can't reasonably use the word rape for something that vast majority of people in Western culture consider to be perfectly ok behavior or maybe a bit indecent but certainly not criminal. You're…

I think in the case where there's such a huge age gap, and where the girl is a sex slave, it is serious crime. The girl could not meaningfully have consented.

But in any case, the poster that Stallman was responding to was merely pointing out that what Minsky allegedly did probably would constitute rape in the relevant jurisdiction.

If Stallman, for whatever weird reason, has some kind of a semantic program for reforming terminology relating to rape and sexual assault, then he chose the worst possible time, manner and place to put it forward. Especially given that he is previously on record as believing that sex between adults and much younger children can be 'consensual'. He's a best a goof on these topics, and at worst a serial creep and harasser. He has only himself to blame.

Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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We're both discussing what he wrote. Terje Søviknes seems the closest match to your description. For an adult in a position of power to get a 16 year old drunk and then have sex with them is obviously wrong. It's certainly caused a scandal in Norway: https://exepose.com/2018/02/15/endless-sex-scandals-in-norwe... You apparently regard the case as one involving "consenting adults", even though you describe the girl as…

What made you pick out the Terje Søviknes case over the Trine Grande case?

So many to choose from! You didn't give a name, and I can't read your mind.

Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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Can I have a reliable source on the suicide threat? In particular something indicating it was genuine rather than jocular.

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/d59r46/richard... From someone who worked at MIT.

I see no dates, names, details or basically anything of substance relating to the suicide threat story. It seems to just be one of those sourceless rumours that get passed around as gospel.

Note in particular that the commentator does not say they saw this or even that someone who saw it told them. You're just hearing a rumour this person heard at MIT.

Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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post #422

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What made you pick out the Terje Søviknes case over the Trine Grande case?

So many to choose from! You didn't give a name, and I can't read your mind.

I said explicitly that the minister in question remained in government, that the teenager in question was 17 and that there was no suggestion of coercion. There was no need to even name names these facts stand on their own.

Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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You didn't add anything to the discussion here, you just parroted talking points. > If RMS stuck to his area of expertise we would not be having this conversation. Show me where he didn't?

Do your own research... https://stallman.org/articles/children.html https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20Jun... https://stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html#04_January_2... There are 3 links. Its pretty clear to me that he fears being a parent and has no concept of child development. It is well known that changes in a growing adolescent brain can affect decision making. https://www.aacap.org/AA…

So, again, this is not on some work-related mailing list, this is his personal website. That's not what we're discussing here.

I'm not endorsing or defending his views on any subject, but there appear to be a lot of false claims around the items directly related to his resignation.

Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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Do your own research... https://stallman.org/articles/children.html https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20Jun... https://stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html#04_January_2... There are 3 links. Its pretty clear to me that he fears being a parent and has no concept of child development. It is well known that changes in a growing adolescent brain can affect decision making. https://www.aacap.org/AA…

So, again, this is not on some work-related mailing list, this is his personal website. That's not what we're discussing here. I'm not endorsing or defending his views on any subject, but there appear to be a lot of false claims around the items directly related to his resignation.

There is an on-going pattern of comments where RMS says that sex with children is acceptable under the right circumstances. To me, that position is indefensible and offensive. You seem to be very focused on some specific text in one specific instance. Maybe you are missing the forest for the trees.
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