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How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by mcculley »

gdy wrote: post #258
trilila wrote: post #218

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It is. But you see, those hit hardest by sanctions are neither the cause of trouble nor anti western. Those are usually people like you and i, while the “elite” can smuggle in whatever they want and access whatever they want. Not only that but regular folk is weakened and cant stand a chance against the well fed government. No sanctions means greater exposure to our way of life and thus an easier path for grassroots…

There is a Soviet joke, on unrelated subject, but relevant. A father informs his son that the prices have gone up. The son asks: "Does that mean that you will drink less?" - "No son, that means that you will eat less."

I have heard a form of that joke in the United States but for when taxes are increased on cigarettes. The shareholders of the tobacco companies feel the pain less than the children of the addicted.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by azernik »

luckylion wrote: post #368
azernik wrote: post #161

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All their jobs are still in Tel Aviv, and the subsidiary is likely still registered in Israel.

Would that matter? I don't believe you can work around government sanctions by simply registering a subsidiary in another jurisdiction and saying "look, the company isn't officially in the US, even though it's owned by us".

No, but it indicates that it's also subject to Israeli restrictions.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by gdy »

stickfigure wrote: post #399
gdy wrote: post #228

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And why is it ok to attack another country's military project in the peace time? There are plenty of American military projects that deeply worry other countries.

I challenge you to name any American military project that is as worrisome as Iran's 'Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution' having control of a nuclear weapon.

Challenge accepted.

"The US nuclear forces modernization program has been portrayed to the public as an effort to ensure the reliability and safety of warheads in the US nuclear arsenal, rather than to enhance their military capabilities. In reality, however, that program has implemented revolutionary new technologies that will vastly increase the targeting capability of the US ballistic missile arsenal. This increase in capability is astonishing—boosting the overall killing power of existing US ballistic missile forces by a factor of roughly three—and it creates exactly what one would expect to see, if a nuclear-armed state were planning to have the capacity to fight and win a nuclear war by disarming enemies with a surprise first strike."

https://thebulletin.org/2017/03/how-us-nuclear-force-moderni...

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by yyyk »

tsimionescu wrote: post #419
yyyk wrote: post #375

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Iran is already part of an agreement (called the NPT) to not have any nukes ever, and has already violated it. It has no justification to ask for any concession from any other country for it to honour its original signature, much less from countries they have sworn to annihilate. It sounds like they want others to disarm their intended victim for them.

Iran's most rabid enemy illegally owns nuclear weapons, while the world's greatest super power is helping them hide it. Iran's position makes logical sense, and the best way to ensure they have no reason not to abide by the NPT would be to actually uphold the NPT, not to selectively enforce it against Iran but not the country threatening it.

More accurately, the country Iran is most rabid enemy of. Its 'most rabid' enemy has never had any claim against Iran - it's Iran which has decided to declare total enmity.

So Iran picks a fight, says it wants to 'defend' itself from the enemy it created (instead of burying the hatchet), and further demands the worlds disarms its opponent to make Iran's work easier.

There are a few loan words in the English language for such behaviour like 'chutzpa'. It makes 'logical sense' only if the world sympathizes with aggression which I don't believe it does.

P.S. Said country has never signed the NPT and is therefore not bound by it, making its possession of weapons still 'legal', unlike Iran which has signed the treaty and is therefore bound by it, even when Iran ignored its own signature.

P.S.S. It would make no sense for such an arrangement to not include Pakistan, which has already taken part in past wars in the area. Weird how nobody notices that. Almost like, the idea was to disarm one side to try to give the other a killing advantage.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by fit2rule »

ohithereyou wrote: post #416
fit2rule wrote: post #379

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Always. The people always get the politics they deserve.

Do the current citizens of North Korea deserve the government they have?

The only thing propping up the regime is the society which feeds it.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by ohithereyou »

fit2rule wrote: post #426
ohithereyou wrote: post #416

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Do the current citizens of North Korea deserve the government they have?

The only thing propping up the regime is the society which feeds it.

Do you believe that the main reason that the North Korean regime can survive is due to the support of the people?

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by jfnixon »

gdy wrote: post #424
stickfigure wrote: post #399

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I challenge you to name any American military project that is as worrisome as Iran's 'Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution' having control of a nuclear weapon.

Challenge accepted. "The US nuclear forces modernization program has been portrayed to the public as an effort to ensure the reliability and safety of warheads in the US nuclear arsenal, rather than to enhance their military capabilities. In reality, however, that program has implemented revolutionary new technologies that will vastly increase the targeting capability of the US ballistic missile arsenal. This increas…

Let's see if I have this straight... the US is increasing the precision of its nuclear weaponry to use against military targets, and that's as bad as Iran's program to acquire nuclear weaponry (in violation of the NPT) and long range rockets?

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by jfnixon »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #382
stickfigure wrote: post #140

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I don't think Stuxnet forfeits the moral high ground. It was narrowly focused on attacking a specific military project. It's exactly the kind of thing I want the CIA (or whatever) doing, especially if the alternative is sending bombs. State sponsored attempts to hack public network infrastructure fit into a totally different category. These are not the same.

Meh, it merely caused delays in peacetime so its lasting legacy will be the official declaration of world wide cyber war. The actual "victory" over the Iranian, nuclear program starts in 2013, and was embodied by the JCPOA signed in 2015 (entering to force 2016), before the USA decided to violate it in 2018. As other pointed out, before stuxnet cyberwarfare wasn't as firmly acknowledged as an official arena, so this…

The JCPOA was not signed by the US, so it is hard to understand how it is 'violating' the agreement. The US has a process for obligating the country to observe treaties and agreements. Treaties and agreements become binding only upon Senate ratification. That didn't happen.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by jfnixon »

pooya13 wrote: post #220
tsimionescu wrote: post #212

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> What it boils down to for me is which side do you want to win? Being fair and impartial doesn't mean considering that both of the nations are the same and the outcome will be the same if either side wins, with only a different name and flag for the victor. Your argument makes sense, but it starts with a very flawed assumption: that Iran wants to dominate the world. The reality accepted by everyone except the US and…

> Iran has entered deals with the US and other western countries to renounce its nuclear weapons program in exchange for lifting the embargo Which weapons program? AFAIK current Iranian inspection mechanisms are the most stringent (anywhere ever).

How can you possibly know this? The JCPOA includes non-public "side deals" with the IAEA. How do you prove the secret fine print doesn't restore what the public large print took away?
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