macOS deprecating scripting language runtimes, including Python, Ruby, and Perl

Post by TimTheTinker » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 1:33 AM UTC

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I think the second you start auto-favouring one particular tool you're in trouble. Why iTerm2? Why not Alacritty? iTerm2 is more popular now, but 5 years down the line when someone else has come up with a iTerm2 replacement how is Apple meant to decide to switch? Where does Apple draw the line on which tools to add and which to leave out? It sounds like what you're really asking for is something like Ninite for mac,…

Yeah I don't see the need for any of this to be provided by Apple. I want the platform I'm working on to be minimal and agnostic, and let me worry about what tools I'm using and how. If there's really demand for some kind of base developer toolkit, why not leave it up for a 3rd party to put together some kind of installer to set it all up for you?

Post by musicale » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 2:19 AM UTC

Post by TimTheTinker » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 3:26 AM UTC

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> What command-line programming language interpreters are left when those are removed? zsh/bash/ksh93, tcsh, awk, sqlite3, elisp (assuming emacs survives for now) and javascript console. I don't know why you'd want to limit things to pre-installed command line interpreters though. > You have the shell itself, but that’s hardly enough to write anything cool. What kind of cool things do you envision the curious beginne…

> What kind of cool things do you envision the curious beginner to write, using only the current preinstalled Python/Ruby/perl, that they can't do with the remaining interpreters that I mentioned? What about the iconic 4th grader "greetings and cool things" script? Here's something like what it looked like for me (on the IBM PC in my classroom): 5 CLS 7 RANDOMIZE TIMER 10 PRINT "Hello there. I'm a computer. What is y…

    10 SCREEN 9
    20 CLS
    30 COLOR 1, INT(RND*10)
    40 SOUND 20+(RND*5000),.2
    50 GOTO 30

Post by bumblebritches5 » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 4:37 AM UTC

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I'm sure that others here are well familiar with other officially certified UNIX operating systems[1], but given many widely used Unix-like systems not on the list, I don't think Apple gains anything from the certification. Moreover, it probably is deleterious, forcing them to adhere to system designs that made sense in the 70s and 80s. 1: https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/

I'd be surprised if Apple spends all that much money/effort on official Unix certification, precisely because I doubt Apple would bother. How many customers are choosing macOS over something else because of the Unix certification? In a world where Linux exists? (This discussion, of course, has nothing to do with whether or not macOS adheres to Unix principles or compatibility.)

Post by saagarjha » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 6:08 AM UTC

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> struct layouts and sizes To be fair, this is less an an issue with non-fragile ivars in Objective-C.

Yup but OSX has a tonne of C (and unfortunately C++) APIs. But yeah having most of the system apis being in a language that has built in dynamic resolution makes a world of difference in the difficulty of maintaining abi compat