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Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by Dylan16807 »

rayiner wrote: post #300
turtlesdown wrote: post #226

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First, you originally claimed meat as a factor (apparently still after an edit). Second, a vegetarian can eat dairy products. Finally, the only working link above is pretty much worthless (122 participants who were asked questions, measured, and checked again in 3 years) as it does not capture final adult height. >Also, "properly nourished" is a weasel phrase here. For sure, just like debating about meat consumption…

You need to remove the semi-colons from the link above. Three different studies showing that milk consumption results in taller children. As to your second point--the issue under debate here is not meat consumption, but rather the CO2 emissions of animal agriculture. So we're talking about telling Bangladeshis to be vegans, not merely vegetarians.

https://data-wrapper.s3.amazonaws.com/vpwr6/3/index.html https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/a/10177

Huh, these numbers really disagree in a couple places.

Nevertheless it seems like the most important way to minimize CO2 is to focus on grains, and that milk, eggs, poultry, pork, and fish aren't all that bad compared to the average vegetable.

And milk's easy to budget for, two cups a day is only 10% of a kid's calories.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by Dylan16807 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #373
rayiner wrote: post #176

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You're not going to "save the world from environmental destruction" by telling people to give up meat, because as India and China (not to mention Africa) develop, meat will become a minor component of their CO2 footprint just as it is in the United States. The anti-meat messaging will be seen as both stupid (because it won't help) and hypocritical ("how about we continue to eat meat, and Americans take their turn liv…

> You're not going to "save the world from environmental destruction" by telling people to give up meat No, but by convincing people to give up meat, to travel less, to stop using disposable everything, to institute a carbon tax, etc. etd. you just eventually might. As 'Pfhreak wrote elsewhere in the thread, this is not a problem of finding 60%-there solution; it's a problem of repeatedly applying 0.5% - 3% solutions…

A strong carbon tax could be a 60% solution all by itself, and using it to fund capture could possibly reach another 50%.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by cageface »

meekstro wrote: post #404
cageface wrote: post #345

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I agree that we still have a lot to learn about nutrition. What’s not controversial is that you can be perfectly healthy on a strictly plant based diet. Dismissing vegans as flat earthers or vegan diets as pea goo just makes you sound defensive. Also, the diet you choose has consequences for the environment and the animals you eat so it’s not simply a matter of individual choices. Red meat in particular has a huge ca…

It is controversial though. Vegans have higher rates of depression and anxiety than the general cheeseburger eating population which has terrible rates of depression and anxiety. They also have higher rates of auto-immune disorders. The major benefit of their diet comes from toxicity reduction from eating optimised daily calories. A plant sits in one spot thinking how to poison anything that eats too much of it. An a…

Citation for your claims about depression and immune disorders being more common in vegans? I've seen tons of studies showing exactly the opposite and also anecdotally in every vegan I know.

Plant based diets are highly anti inflammatory which helps a lot with depression. And the mammalian proteins in meat & dairy seem to be powerful triggers for the immune system to start attacking itself.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by dbancajas »

Pfhreak wrote: post #403
bitcoinmoney wrote: post #393

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Could you give more details about the steps and cost?

Yeah. I should probably write a blog post going through all this... Keep in mind, I selected for the highest quality meat I could find -- organic, grass fed, grass finished, small farm raised, etc. Step 1: Find farms. I used my local farmer's market as a jumping off point, they publish a local farm guide. Step 2: Ensure the farmer meets your criteria, get information on cost and availability. Most farmers had this in…

So this is 2550$ for 480 lbs of meat? not bad.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by dbancajas »

Pfhreak wrote: post #400
theNJR wrote: post #306

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How much is the full cow? Does the rancher vacuum seal the individual pieces for you, or do you pick up 600lbs of meat and have a meat packing party? Any other details?

We paid ~$6.50/lb for our animal, which was a grass fed, organically raised animal. That's obviously high for ground beef, and obviously low for filet mignon. About 40% of what you take home is ground beef by weight (the way we had our animal broken down.) The butcher broke it down into packages, each package double wrapped in plastic and paper and deep frozen. I have to go pick up 600lbs of meat, then parcel it out…

Can't you just have the butcher already divide them by X ? (X=# of friends)

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by dbancajas »

Pfhreak wrote: post #403
bitcoinmoney wrote: post #393

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Could you give more details about the steps and cost?

Yeah. I should probably write a blog post going through all this... Keep in mind, I selected for the highest quality meat I could find -- organic, grass fed, grass finished, small farm raised, etc. Step 1: Find farms. I used my local farmer's market as a jumping off point, they publish a local farm guide. Step 2: Ensure the farmer meets your criteria, get information on cost and availability. Most farmers had this in…

Do you suggest going with somethin like this: http://www.roughcreekcattlecompany.com/ordering-process.html ?

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #422
TeMPOraL wrote: post #373

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> You're not going to "save the world from environmental destruction" by telling people to give up meat No, but by convincing people to give up meat, to travel less, to stop using disposable everything, to institute a carbon tax, etc. etd. you just eventually might. As 'Pfhreak wrote elsewhere in the thread, this is not a problem of finding 60%-there solution; it's a problem of repeatedly applying 0.5% - 3% solutions…

A strong carbon tax could be a 60% solution all by itself, and using it to fund capture could possibly reach another 50%.

Modulo the wars a sudden and strong carbon tax would likely start.

We're our worst problem in this fight :/. Outside HN, whenever I mention online or offline that carbon taxing is good and we really need more of it, people look at me like I'm crazy and/or call me communist. Regular people here in Poland seem to universally think along the lines of "look at our gasoline places, it's so expensive [compared to the US], most of it is taxes already, and you want to add extra tax?!".

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by Dylan16807 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #427
Dylan16807 wrote: post #422

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A strong carbon tax could be a 60% solution all by itself, and using it to fund capture could possibly reach another 50%.

Modulo the wars a sudden and strong carbon tax would likely start. We're our worst problem in this fight :/. Outside HN, whenever I mention online or offline that carbon taxing is good and we really need more of it, people look at me like I'm crazy and/or call me communist. Regular people here in Poland seem to universally think along the lines of "look at our gasoline places, it's so expensive [compared to the US],…

> Regular people here in Poland seem to universally think along the lines of "look at our gasoline places, it's so expensive [compared to the US], most of it is taxes already, and you want to add extra tax?!".

You could suggest changing the road taxes or exempting gas from VAT at the same time as implementing a carbon tax. It would actually come out cheaper, if we can get the carbon capture price down to $100/ton or less (some estimate $60/ton is viable).

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by basetop »

nostalgiac wrote: post #339
basetop wrote: post #304

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Meat consumption is expected to increase as less developed nations like china, india, ASEAN countries, africa get wealthier. https://ourworldindata.org/meat-and-seafood-production-consu... People forget that for much of the 3rd world, meat was an unaffordable luxury. It won't be for much longer as they develop. Also, meat is a natural part of a healthy human diet. It's unrealistic to think that meat consumption is go…

> Also, meat is a natural part of a healthy human diet. It's unrealistic to think that meat consumption is going to be viewed as tobacco. I disagree. https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

I've read that vegan propaganda so many times that I knew you'd post it before I posted my comment.

Plants create carcinogens to defend themselves from being eaten.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/10/01/228221063/wh...

Not to mention carcinogenic pesticides all over vegan food.

https://www.businessinsider.com/kale-dirty-dozen-contaminate...

Your post reminds me of another false vegan trope. Fish is bad for you since it is filled with cancer causing chemicals. Yet, the healthiest and longest living people on earth are fish consuming japanese and mediterraneans.

A healthy balanced diet. Not the unhealthy extreme vegan or carnivore diet. But the natural human diet that all humans have always eaten - omnivore diet.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by whenchamenia »

giobox wrote: post #265
Pfhreak wrote: post #115

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What I did: stop purchasing meat from the supermarket. Stop eating meat at restaurants. Find a local farmer and source a whole animal to split with your friends. Visit the farm, meet the farmer. A whole beef is a few thousand dollars, and splits nicely into 8ths. We spent, I believe, ~$6.50/lb for organic, grass fed beef. It's more time and cost up front, but now we have a freezer full of meat to draw from when we ne…

I really admire your efforts, but "Find a local farmer and source a whole animal to split with your friends" is a really tall ask for many people I would argue. I personally would likely struggle to convince anyone I know to enter some kind of cooperative livestock purchase/kill/process/store arrangement. As a matter of curiosity, how willing is the average livestock farmer to enter into such an agreement with privat…

I have done this for years. Its as simple as 1. Buying a deep freezer 2. Check local forums for ranchers, or use a sustainable ranch that will ship, like corner post meats. 3. Enjoy while being thankful for the life of the animal, the effort of the rancher, and the ethics observed by everyone in the chain.
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