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Yes exactly. CL is probably my favorite website on the internet, for the sheer reason that they have virtually not changed at all since they first launched over 10 years ago. It's fairly incredible. I can't think of another website that has done that.
I don't think the Berkshire Hathaway site has changed much: http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/
Whitespace killed an enterprise app
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Re: Whitespace killed an enterprise app
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> If your product or UX trivializes someone's job, they are going to fight you. I find that kind of arrogant. In a lot of cases, the UX designers simply underestimate the real complexity of a task.
Reducing a complex task that takes 10 fingers and gratifying thought to a single button choice architecture is trivializing. Recognizing that interests are rarely articulated is the real art.
Not if that works only in the 90% of usual cases and working the non-usual ones is not possible, anymore, after the change.
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#423I am building an enterprise-y software (a 1:1 meeting app[0]) and, not being a designer or UX expert, I am taking some chances with the design. I am using a dark background and I am aiming for a design heuristic where everything of common use is reachable with scroll and 1 click. It becomes a long page the more meetings and notes you had. This does not leave much space for white space. I am also being bold on the use…
Your website needs a little bit more ...ahem... whitespace. Text that is tight to the edge of the screen is unpleasant to read. Meanwhile, I glanced at a couple of the screenshots and noticed they need a lot less whitespace, especially vertically.
I am not so sure about the less whitespace on the application. There is an "accordion" feature at those lists you saw that - I believe - fit well with taller rows. A lot of space to click is good. But maybe cutting 2px might help indeed
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It's actually old.reddit.com but they probably have some sort of a wildcard rule.
This is probably it : any two letter combination seems to work.
[0]: For example, see /r/CrappyDesign with (https://old.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign/) and without (https://of.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign) Comic Sans.
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> I used to work at a portfolio analytics company who’s explicit goal was: to have all of Wall St use Bloomberg on one screen, and our product on the other. Me too! I wonder if it was the same company? > Our app was probably the anti-thesis to the Bloomberg Terminal in almost everyway: “modern” design, tons of white space It was not.
I worked for a company that rhymes with “potus” did you work for the company that rhymed with “brighthouse”? Man those guys had an ugly app.
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Amazon has purposefully broken their search and navigation, but probably in an anti-consumer metric-driven way instead of designer-driven.
Ebay is the pinnacle of broken search and navigation! They should be winning awards, industry accolades, Webbies, the works!
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For the same reason that monospaced fonts are the correct choice for code: so text can line up. If you you’ve used the terminal, it displays structured information really nicely because of this. Also in regards to the monospaced fonts, you can easily calculate how much space a block of text will take on the screen. They do have the Bloomberg anywhere portal which is web-based, but the main app isn’t web based.
> the main app isn’t web based. Source? I heard this from the developers directly. > For the same reason that monospaced fonts are the correct choice for code: so text can line up. This isn't a requirement for code. Coding in variable width fonts actually works fine.
But the vast, vast, majority of people think otherwise.
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> This usually included weeks of work, after which it was possible to write web applications which could've been written with vanilla JavaScript on a static, handwritten HTML page in a single afternoon. You can have a website up and running (not just locally, but live on the Internet) within literally 5 minutes using React and Heroku, netlify, now.sh or whatever. If it takes weeks to do that, you're doing something f…
It did not weeks to write the website, sorry if that was not clear from my original post. It took weeks to port existing JavaScript libraries into the ecosphere of the respective framework, to a point where it was indeed possible to write the website we wanted in 5 minutes. > You can have a website up and running (not just locally, but live on the Internet) within literally 5 minutes using React and Heroku, netlify,…
That's why I specifically mentioned React and its API, as it's generic enough to have drop-in replacements or even frameworks that apply its basics to completely different kinds of rendering (https://github.com/vadimdemedes/ink). I find it unlikely that the basic idea of component trees, efficient one-way rendering of updated data, and JSX rendering will go away anytime soon, and none of that depends on the specific project named "React".
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#429A great example of a really nice information dense app is the Bloomberg terminal. Maybe it’s ugly (a lot of people say this, but I personally don’t think so), but all the right design choices have been made. High Contrast, monospaced fonts, extensive keybindings, absolutely no wasted space. And, most essential, it’s not a web app. I used to work at a portfolio analytics company who’s explicit goal was: to have all of…
> You never felt like it was an extension of yourself. Not a better phrase to describe a Bloomberg Terminal. Everything is there, mainly data, quick charts, Messenger and with it 'social' (yes, Bloomberg Support do make restaurant recommendations if asked), quick facilitation to sometimes complex questions through these services, handy linking to Excel, and where data quality was questionable a quick response. I thin…
For people that haven't used it, I know it sounds like porn. But it's incredible.
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This is how I feel about computing in general. GUIs in general were a mistake. Vim is fucking awesome, and there's no replacing a shell and the myriad CLI utilities you have at your disposal. The computer is there to automate repetitive tasks, not create virtual busywork. GUIs generally represent the sacrifice of power and automation for approachability by the lowest common denominator.
Vim has a GUI (or a UI I guess), but it allows you to input commands. For some reason we think of GUI as mouse based interfaces in which you click around. There’s no reason why this has to be the case. The most powerful form of computing is having the command line for input but also allowing a UI for the display of information.