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Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of Chrome browser change

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Post by edoceo »

snaky wrote: post #413
edoceo wrote: post #406

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Airplane control are complex and require training for many valid reasons. The cluster is actually a great study in UX design. Also, it's Boeing or I'm not going.

> The cluster is actually a great study in UX design. Agreed. But it's UX design for power users clearly. But I was talking about the way to combine 'a regular users UX' with a ton of options you need for power users. The vast majority of the people who have Ubuntu on their laptops never recompile the kernel or even know about sysfs, the vast majority of the Windows and Office users never touch the registry editor -…

Agreed

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Post by kbenson »

pvorb wrote: post #417
RobertRoberts wrote: post #392

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> ...people externally often think Google is on some evil plan... The real bad guys don't ever think they are evil. (consider Al Capone, hero of the people)

Yes. Acting evil is what makes you evil.

Then again, maybe we shouldn't be throwing around words like "evil", which we all know is hyperbole (even if invited hyperbole because of Google's own prior statements). Someone talks about Google being evil, and then other people push back because it's not really "evil", and they are both right, so neither ever gives an inch.

Sure, there's less impact when statements are less hyperbolic, but there's also less bikeshedding about the problem, so maybe something actually happens in the end.

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Post by unicornporn »

adrianrocamora wrote: post #343
james_pm wrote: post #114

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I had been using Chrome only for G Suite stuff (forced by my employer to maintain this account) and FF for everything else. This change resulted in the deletion of Chrome from my computer and a move to FF with Multi Account Containers set to segregate various services from each other. I'm half thankful for the Chrome team doing this because it was just the push I needed to finally rid myself of Chrome once and for al…

FF with Multi Account Containers is heaven

It would be if I could restrict a container to a certain domain[1]. However, as it functions now, my containers are easily polluted.

[1] https://github.com/mozilla/multi-account-containers/issues/8...

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Post by bad_user »

rifung wrote: post #295
tedivm wrote: post #3

I don't understand why the Chrome team is picking this hill to die on- their team (managers and developers) are all over twitter and reddit trying to explain the privacy violations away as if the people upset about this are just not understanding what's going on. I really expect this change to push a lot of people away from Chrome, and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if it started opening up more antitrust possibilit…

I work at Google; opinions are my own. > I don't understand why the Chrome team is picking this hill to die on- their team (managers and developers) are all over twitter and reddit trying to explain the privacy violations away as if the people upset about this are just not understanding what's going on. My impression is that this is the new norm at Google. It happens with everything, internal or external. The sad rea…

I’m very sympathetic to your situation, delivering software that’s this popular can’t be easy however in this case it’s really not that hard ...

When I’m doubt, Google should err on the side of privacy.

That’s the safe way to go. And in this case you can clearly see that some people will freak out if their browser syncs their history to the wrong identity or that it syncs at all.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

beenBoutIT wrote: post #359
Tracist wrote: post #337

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When you have a checkbox for every possible customisation option, you end up with a commercial airliner cockpit - hundreds of flashing lights and switches, that you need a comprehensive manual and years of experience to properly operate.

I'm convinced that most users would prefer having zero options or checkboxes.

Yes, they would prefer the software to always be perfectly tuned to them, even as they change their own... preferences.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

reitanqild wrote: post #398
Tracist wrote: post #337

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When you have a checkbox for every possible customisation option, you end up with a commercial airliner cockpit - hundreds of flashing lights and switches, that you need a comprehensive manual and years of experience to properly operate.

Spoken like a true modern ux designer ;-) I won't say you cannot make toys but I'd be happy if ux designers everywhere could take a break and stop dumbing down working applications, thanks. PS: they don't need to be flashing.

> PS: they don't need to be flashing.

In fact, in modern aircraft, they're not flashing. The trend today is to not light a light unless it's important to pay attention to it. It's called "dark cockpit".

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Post by TeMPOraL »

snaky wrote: post #389
zbentley wrote: post #385

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If all the power users leave, the app makers do not care. If all the typical grandmas leave, their margins are significantly impacted. You can figure out the rest. That’s not a problem or an indictment. Just an observation of how systems work st scale.

That's very short term focused observation though. Power users are influencers. When power users leave - especially being annoyed and angry - they start to actively advise against the product left and right, to the regular users and to other power users.

But that's unfortunately how this works. I think people forget market players can, and are, self-destructive, when short-term profits interfere with long-term survival.

It's also part of the reason for the pace of the industry. You pump out as much money as you can from some space, and then move on to focus on the next thing.

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Post by hrktb »

daveheq wrote: post #407
i2shar wrote: post #374

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It's about privacy and also about taking away functionality that worked all these years for me. At work we use Google Apps and I sign in as with my work address for Gmail, Calendar, Docs, Drive, etc. and am used to one click access to all these apps. But I like to sync my bookmarks, extensions and settings to my personal account - and that's it - I don't want to sign in to my personal Gmail, Docs, Drive in the browse…

Not sure if this is a solution for you but you can have multiple Google account sessions in separate Chrome user sessions by clicking your user icon at the top then selecting to add people.

It becomes a game of “guess what user I’ll be logged in the next new window ?”

Chrome also doesn’t respect window order in the menu, so it’s just a pain to track when switching. My solution to that was to switch to Safari for personal use.

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Post by eksemplar »

explainplease wrote: post #365
adrianrocamora wrote: post #343

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FF with Multi Account Containers is heaven

I wish Mozilla would give some kind of guarantee that they won't drop the feature, otherwise I don't feel like investing time into building a workflow around it is worthwhile. And it's sad that this is even an issue.

We automated a process with RPA for a piece of software that was being replaced 6 months later.

You could look at it as silly, but in those 6 months it saved around 700 work hours after it had paid for its dev time.

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Post by eksemplar »

kbenson wrote: post #422
pvorb wrote: post #417

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Yes. Acting evil is what makes you evil.

Then again, maybe we shouldn't be throwing around words like "evil", which we all know is hyperbole (even if invited hyperbole because of Google's own prior statements). Someone talks about Google being evil, and then other people push back because it's not really "evil", and they are both right, so neither ever gives an inch. Sure, there's less impact when statements are less hyperbolic, but there's also less bikesh…

Evil sort of loses it’s meaning when it’s thrown a google in a world where Pennsylvania just banned books that aren’t sold through their systems from prisons, where ICE kills children in concentration camps, and that’s talking domestic issues only.

I mean, if google is evil then what do you call North Korea? Super duper evil?

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