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EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by buboard »

14 wrote: post #282
briandear wrote: post #205

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Why force the platform to enforce? Shouldn’t the copyright owner be required to protect their own rights rather than having others do it for them?

Just extending your thought farther, why have police then as well? Shouldn't an individual protect themselves? If I am stronger then you and you can't protect your rights does that mean I am now right by taking them away for myself? If everyone was required to protect their own rights things would get messy fast. I do look forward to the day, and I believe it will come, where companies and individuals will be handsom…

There is no copyright police. People do defend themselves - they pay the police to do so and so do businesses. EU is not instituting a copyright police- it is asking internet media to set it up and pay for it.

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Post by mechazawa »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #151
paganel wrote: post #92

This decision is one of the many reasons why Europe will never reach the likes of Silicon Valley, no matter how much money will they sink down the "technology" hole (not that the US doesn't have its fair share of dumb legislators, because it has). This continent is a mess in terms of IT, with a few exceptions (London, Berlin, Dublin, some spots in Eastern Europe).

Exactly. I thought that the EU wanted a thriving tech sector, but it doesn't have any social media platforms with the reach that American ones do. And after this mess of legislation, the barriers to entry into the market will get far more expensive. Nothing will ever be able to clear it. Sometimes, when companies climb the ladder to the top of the market, they kick the ladder down. This time, big copyright (and their…

> but it doesn't have any social media platforms with the reach that American ones do. A lot of people I know don't bother having more then one social media account. I don't know what you mean

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Post by quadcore »

tumetab1 wrote: post #410
oihoaihsfoiahsf wrote: post #336

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I read the articles as well, and this commenter is right that, on their face, they don't seem like they would apply to a site like Google News. That said, everyone, including Google, seems to think they do. And as far as I am aware, nobody at the EC has said anything to the contrary, even though it would be easy to do so. So it seems most likely to me that the naive reading of the text is incorrect, and that both thi…

Both are missing the point of how this kind of "law" works. The wording is less relevant than the application of it. You can argue that something is outside of scope, according to the wording, and be correct while at the same time I can argue that the same is covered on how is expected to be applied. Given my understanding of the copyright lobbying-state officials work in the EU, Google News will be covered. Why? Bec…

The thought of that happening in itself procures fears.

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Post by antpls »

buboard wrote: post #227
antpls wrote: post #181

For the anecdote, Nils Torvalds, the father of Linus, is one of the many authors of this text law. I'm from EU, I had the time to look at the recent amendments about this law, in which they added precisions about the fair use of data, for non-profit and public research. They also precised that this law and the technical implementations should not go against already in-place freedom of speech rights. Hopefully, people…

Do you have a link to the text of the directive? i found this text from 2016: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... Also , the major issue is not so much with the process of takedown itself, but with the "terror" it inspires which will lead to the end of the "meme culture" upon which internet media rely on. It's not so much about the number of take-downs , but about the number of people that…

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think your link is the latest version. It says 2016 because the procedure started in 2016, the linked document itself has been updated with the following amendments : http://www.europarl.europa.eu/plenary/en/report-details.html...

On a side note, there are a lot of information on several EU websites about procedure, steps, people, etc, for example :

- http://www.europarl.europa.eu/oeil-mobile/fiche-procedure/20... (mobile version, I'm on my phone)

- http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2F%2F...

Also, with a timeline : https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/HIS/?uri=CELEX:52...

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Post by notyourday »

dnate wrote: post #228
village-idiot wrote: post #84

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I think the newspapers forgot that Google doesn’t need them .

The issue is that we as a society need diverse and independent newspapers.

True, but if there's one thing that we did learn over last decade or so is that the old guard newspapers are neither diverse nor independent.

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Post by simias »

sputr wrote: post #419
IdiocyInAction wrote: post #399

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Why whould Google not just delist problematic sites like they did in Germany, as they tried to implement something similar there AFAIK?

We've been asking the proponents that for months. Google got a free license in Germany while Yahoo did not. Even if they ban the free license (which is a whole nother set of even bigger problems) Google can just not list them at all. It's not like they care about Google News all that much.

I agree that this is probably going to backfire spectacularly but if we give the proponents the benefit of the doubt it could be argued that while the big G might not care about Google News, users may. If these news aggregator shutdown they will look for alternatives which might create an opportunity for people to develop news aggregator that share the revenue more fairly with the newspapers. I doubt this is going to happen but I suppose it might sound right for people who are not deeply familiar with the way the internet works.

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Post by egman_ekki »

Gaelan wrote: post #375
megous wrote: post #246

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Compare that to my country, where it's perfectly legal to download whatever music or movies you like from the internet for personal use, pirate websites or not. Also a western democracy. So it's not so bad everywhere. Though a price for this is that we pay a special tax on every storage device we purchase.

If you don’t mind, where is this?

Could be Czech republic or Slovakia.

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Post by beaconstudios »

jonathanp88 wrote: post #417
beaconstudios wrote: post #346

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> You start by saying that you can't affect the EU democratically (even though you have much more democratic control over your MEP than you do over the House of Lords or your monarch) This is true, but the Queen's job to sign new laws is purely ceremonial at this point, and while I can't democratically affect the House of Lords, I can affect the House of Commons and the Cabinet. The House of Lords is a bit of a relic…

>> It is the remit of the British people to hold our government to account, not an even higher, more abstracted government that is even less accountable to the people. Why does it stop exactly there in the multiple layers of goverment we have? Because you say so? Why is the remit of a citizen of say, Ipswich, to hold the Ipswich City council to account, the Suffolk County Council to account, the British government to…

> Why does it stop exactly there in the multiple layers of goverment we have? Because you say so?

I think you're misunderstanding me - granted, the sentence was ambiguous. I was saying that it is not the remit of the EU to hold the British government accountable.

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