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$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Post by supernovae »

idiomatic1 wrote: post #357
satysin wrote: post #296

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> Those aren't even installed and you can turn off app recommendations They installed the moment it saw a network connection which was before I even finished setup because it set that up during the OOBE. > Settings->personalization->start-> make sure "Show suggestions occasionally in start" is off. That setting does not seem to have any effect on Candy Crush, Twitter, etc. on a default install. > Minecraft is awesome…

Couldn't agree more. I'm trying Windows 10 after many years on Linux, and I'm amazed at the hot mess I find. There isn't even a usable terminal. ConEmu looks like it could work with enough tweaking, still trying to get all characters to show up properly (many do, some don't).

Conemu works (and is opensource) and Microsoft has already said they're adding official pty support.

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/08/02/wind...

Every mac owner quickly switches to iTerm from built in terminal nd lets be honest - there are a bazillion payware options for windows people could use too.

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Post by rogerbinns »

samstave wrote: post #229
rogerbinns wrote: post #206

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> Will these more upmarket Chromebooks (which have x86 CPUs and acceptable RAM & storage) be OK to run any regular Linux distro? They aren't ideal. But they do have a good alternative that is in its late beta stages. Typically you could run a Linux distro in a chroot on the chromebook, after putting it into developer mode. Unfortunately the chroot does have limits - fox example it doesn't get another IP address so yo…

Maybe you know the answer to this question I have always wanted: I want to be able to run multiple OSs/Installations-of-the-same-OS on a single machine such that I can swap between "running" OSs - meaning, I want to have one OS sleep while I use the other. So, if I have windows and ubuntu on the same machine - I dont want to reboot, I want to just put one to sleep and wake the other one up... OR Ideally - I want to b…

The specific functionality you describe is available in mainframes, although they are designed to always run a hypervisor. You can't practically do it in the PC world because the operating systems either expect to use a virtualisation interface, or they expect direct control over the hardware. The latter will also give better performance.

Some virtualisation environments do have hardware passthrough. A good example would be having a high performance PCIE video card which is passed through to to a guest for gaming. You can also use real storage instead of files pretending to be storage, although this is less flexible (eg no snapshots).

My recommendation is to use Ubuntu as your host OS and run Windows as a VM guest.

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

supernovae wrote: post #420
_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #306

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> Microsoft is also a large, if not the largest, contributor to Linux & Open source. I always hear things like this. What exactly are they contributing though? > Windows has maintained a level of compatibility second to none to support all that legacy As far as I can tell, if you want to run a legacy Windows app, you're more likely to be successful running it in Wine on Linux.

>I always hear things like this. What exactly are they contributing though? Their employees contribute tons of code to the kernel and they're a premium partner in the Linux foundation paying Linus's salary. They contribute to the kernel, hadoop, mesos, k8s, they contribute to gcc, heck they let you run linux on windows now with Linux subsystem and have official partnerships with redhat, suse, ubuntu. They also open s…

> Their employees contribute tons of code to the kernel and they're a premium partner in the Linux foundation paying Linus's salary....

Linus wasn't starving before MS became a platinum member of the Linux Foundation.

> They contribute to the kernel, hadoop, mesos, k8s, they contribute to gcc, heck they let you run linux on windows now with Linux subsystem...

Right, so as far as I can tell most of their contribution are likely to be things to make their linux subsystem work better. Which has very little effect on me.

> >As far as I can tell, if you want to run a legacy Windows app, you're more likely to be successful running it in Wine on Linux.

> no sane person would do that. Just run it in compatibility mode on Windows 10.

Mentioning sanity and running Windows 10 in the same breath?

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Post by grandinj »

osrec wrote: post #192
grandinj wrote: post #170

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Libreoffice hacker here. Calc is one of the nicer parts of the codebase. Don’t underestimate the enormous list of features that are required in a modern spreadsheet engine. We’re talking 100s of man-years of coding. Come join us and make it better. Or task one of the available consultancies to implement the features you want.

I know I am underestimating; I have a tendency to do that, so I appreciate the warning. May I ask how many people currently contribute to LibreOffice regularly?

There are about 20 people or so who contribute on a frequent basis i.e. at least weekly.

But we have a very long tail of people who contribute less often.

You can see the commit frequency here: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/

Come hang out on the libreoffice-dev IRC channel if you have more questions

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Post by supernovae »

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #423
supernovae wrote: post #420

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>I always hear things like this. What exactly are they contributing though? Their employees contribute tons of code to the kernel and they're a premium partner in the Linux foundation paying Linus's salary. They contribute to the kernel, hadoop, mesos, k8s, they contribute to gcc, heck they let you run linux on windows now with Linux subsystem and have official partnerships with redhat, suse, ubuntu. They also open s…

> Their employees contribute tons of code to the kernel and they're a premium partner in the Linux foundation paying Linus's salary.... Linus wasn't starving before MS became a platinum member of the Linux Foundation. > They contribute to the kernel, hadoop, mesos, k8s, they contribute to gcc, heck they let you run linux on windows now with Linux subsystem... Right, so as far as I can tell most of their contribution…

Where do people like you come from? 20-year grudges, personal biases and so much hate/spite for something you know literally nothing about and would never use... Why?

Chromebooks are great. Windows 10 is great. My Macbook is great. We have TONS Of great computing devices and choices today. Use an iphone, use an android, use a stick phone, i don't give a crap.

What i do get appalled at is all this hate, misinformation and projection of personal biases and preference as "matter of fact".. its bull crap and ya know it.

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

supernovae wrote: post #425
_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #423

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> Their employees contribute tons of code to the kernel and they're a premium partner in the Linux foundation paying Linus's salary.... Linus wasn't starving before MS became a platinum member of the Linux Foundation. > They contribute to the kernel, hadoop, mesos, k8s, they contribute to gcc, heck they let you run linux on windows now with Linux subsystem... Right, so as far as I can tell most of their contribution…

Where do people like you come from? 20-year grudges, personal biases and so much hate/spite for something you know literally nothing about and would never use... Why? Chromebooks are great. Windows 10 is great. My Macbook is great. We have TONS Of great computing devices and choices today. Use an iphone, use an android, use a stick phone, i don't give a crap. What i do get appalled at is all this hate, misinformation…

What do I literally know nothing about? I spent way too many years using Windows (not knowing any better), so I know more about it than I care to. I'm not sure how mentioning Wine's capabilities is hate in any case. But I'm happy to learn about whatever I may be mistaken about.

Edit: Ah, I realise what the 'hate' remark is about, my comment about Windows 10 and sanity. Here's my Windows 10 story - I was installing it on a 'game box' (since repurposed as a Linux workstation) off of a usb stick. In the middle of the installation, it complained about some sort of missing drivers (in a very opaque fashion). I wrote down the information and went off to the Internet for help, figuring, it's easy to help for Linux issues, so Windows issues like must be even easier, given its wide-use. But nothing I found made any difference. Until I came across a suggestion somewhere to unplug the usb at that point in time and plug it into another usb slot. I thought "that's silly and will never work". Of course, that was the solution. Note: it didn't matter which usb port it was plugged into initially, so it wasn't a 'usb3 drivers missing' issue or anything like that. For whatever reason, at that point in the installation, unplugging the usb and replugging it in made Windows 10 'see' the drivers. I spent way too many hours on such a silly (and still to me opaque) problem. Thus I don't really associate Windows 10 with sanity. (And I won't mention my experience with the official Microsoft Store and malware.)

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