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USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by sheepmullet »

urazen wrote: post #362
mobilefriendly wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The alternative of an H1B is not an American. It's off shoring the entire project to a team that doesn't live in the US in the first place. Nope, the alternative is off shoring the project to places like Ohio and Montana.

Nope, offshorinng to non-US companies is the most preferred alternative in the real world. Just look at the fact. Offshorinng has been existing for a long time. Building dev center in Ohio and Montana is much more difficult and costly.

No. They already offshore as much as they can get away with.

Being unable to import cheap labor from overseas would be a huge loss to these chop shops and allow other local companies to compete with local staff.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by sheepmullet »

ashleyn wrote: post #32
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

Paleoconservatism/populism isn't concerned about the economic benefits of immigration; it's concerned about "protecting" culture so that immigrants don't have the opportunity to reshape it in any capacity. A sizeable portion of Trump's base believes that they are in danger of becoming a minority in "their own" country and will sidestep the economic benefits of immigration to retain a demographic majority. To these vo…

> A sizeable portion of Trump's base believes that they are in danger of becoming a minority in "their own" country

The key question is: are they right?

Why would you hand over the keys to your kingdom to people who will displace you and rule against you?

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by sheepmullet »

anigbrowl wrote: post #346
gozur88 wrote: post #242

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This sort of attitude is why Trump is president.

It's a factual description of how European sttlers treated the indigenous tribes, and you can find plenty of people who continue to express animus towards Indian tribes. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

Wait a second....

Don't we all agree that what happened to the indigenous tribes was a tragedy and we don't ever want to repeat it?

Doesn't it highlight the problem with unchecked immigration?

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by qmachu »

Young, European, High-skilled worker here, who've been working on core Kubernetes products for three years. Got several job offers for key infra positions in various companies @ 200-250k+. Trump administration came in, decided to RFE+NOIR my H-1B with a bullshit reason, had to go back to my country, which is not my really home anymore whatsoever (wife/friends here). So yeah, that just happened. It's not only about abuses and 'Indians'.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by BuckRogers »

gozur88 wrote: post #103
ashleyn wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paleoconservatism/populism isn't concerned about the economic benefits of immigration; it's concerned about "protecting" culture so that immigrants don't have the opportunity to reshape it in any capacity. A sizeable portion of Trump's base believes that they are in danger of becoming a minority in "their own" country and will sidestep the economic benefits of immigration to retain a demographic majority. To these vo…

>A sizeable portion of Trump's base believes that they are in danger of becoming a minority in "their own" country... Why did you put scare quotes around "their own"? Is it not their own country? Culture changes over time no matter what you do, but is it completely unreasonable to want your culture to change slowly enough that you can still function in your dotage?

I agree. I'm an independent (American) who leans left. Those quotes stood out to me too. The quotes to me signaled that the USA is literally everyone and no one's country. Just a free for all and while I'm certainly not against immigration, you can take it too far. Part of the consequences of going too far is that you end up with Trump and iterations of him thereafter. That's not good either. The goal is to simply be sensible and only allow in those who will be a significant positive benefit to our society.

Yes, our society. The people already here. People seem to have a hard time grasping that the culture who founded the modern US gov't are indeed those people, or it's somehow become offensive. Even a 1st generation immigrant would agree with that, but not some revisionist who brings up the American Indians as if fair amends haven't been made there or somehow a new government completely void of their influence is somehow not the founding of the country.

I hope these same people go around the internet beating the drum on east Asian immigration policies and immigrant acceptance along with Israel. You'd think this country is evil and I completely disagree we're as bad as these finger-wagging liberals insist we are with their scare quotes.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by htneouth43rc »

fggdsgsg wrote: post #180
rrhd wrote: post #100

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Yeah, but I don't think anyone argues that type of behavior isn't blatant abuse of the program. It's frustrating when people complain about H-1Bs at big companies like Google/MS/Amazon. Apparently we're underpaid, overworked, and stealing a job from an american. Despite the fact that these companies are almost constantly hiring and if the american wants to go try, they could.

If we weren't around, an American could demand a (significantly) higher wage. If the developer wages were higher an American programer would consider not becoming a manager (why code away for peanuts when you can boss others for much more?). That's in the short term. In the long term more Americans would do CS, and if the supply is tight enough, Apple and the others would open schools to train teenagers to code. Not…

> If we weren't around, an American could demand a (significantly) higher wage.

This is exactly correct. I'm a US citizen and work at a high paying tech job. Amazon calls me at least once a month to try to convince me to work for them. The problem is that their highest allowed salary is lower than what I'm already making, and I also get gobs of stock bonuses worth at least as much as their stock bonuses. So they really aren't even trying to compete here. If they really wanted people of my caliber who were US citizens, they'd have to improve their compensation.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by BuckRogers »

The self-fulfilling prophecy of "there's no Americans to do these jobs" is coming to an end. In a nation of 330 million people it's been an incredulous argument and it's ruined at least 2 generations from entering STEM. People talk about women in STEM, we have a bigger issue, no one is in STEM. Conservatives like to say you get more of what you subsidize, and they've been subsidizing the rest of the world for a very long time. I hope this is a shift in the tide and not a temporary blip.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by jopsen »

learc83 wrote: post #390
jopsen wrote: post #264

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Denmark grants VISA if you find a job making > 62k USD per year. OR you work in an industry on the "positive list" which includes management, doctors, research, and tech jobs in general. I'm sure lots of countries have similar rules.

Doesn't Denmark have all kinds of rules that make it very hard for a foreigner to find an approved job in the first place though? They have to demonstrate that they can't find a citizen to do the job etc...?

I don't think there is such requirements: https://www.workindenmark.dk https://www.nyidanmark.dk/en-us/coming_to_dk/work/work.htm

But: - tech salaries aren't US competitive - people often speak Danish (sometimes it's a requirement)

And while you'll probably do fine with English in Denmark in general. Long term you would need to learn the language. And to be fair, it's a useless language, there is only 5M speakers, why would anyone spend time learning that? :)

And yes, you would experience racism too. Just because it's a borderline social-libertarian paradise doesn't mean all the people are angels.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by vilmosi »

learc83 wrote: post #418
vilmosi wrote: post #417

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>>> And only 1 of the countries that ranks higher than the US in diversity ranks higher than us on the PISA list. Irrelevant. You and the grandparent are making an irrelevant point again and again. Why bring up diversity at all? >>> It also doesn't take into account the amount of difference between cultures. For example ... I already said there was going to be a "median" example... I was right about that, shocker. /s…

>Irrelevant. You and the grandparent are making an irrelevant point again and again. Why bring up diversity at all? Because it's highly relevant when talking about an average value. The more heterogeneous a population is the less likely an average is to be useful. >I already said there was going to be a "median" example... I was right about that, shocker. /s Ranking by mean often isn't useful...shocker >Except Canada…

>>> Sorry I meant large countries

Do you? I thought we were talking about OECD studies not "big" countries. My mistake.

I guess it was just a matter of time until "big" came up after "diversity".

>>> We can't come up with tests that accurately compare abilities across cultures in the US. How can we possibly do it across 65 countries.

Well then, let's just give up and not compare countries anymore. /s

>>> You can disagree with the critiques all you want

I'm not, I said that before.

The thing is, when debating, it's useful to think if your opponent has a falsifiable claim. Since you don't, this conversation is useless. I literally cannot provide any evidence for country comparisons, because it's literally impossible from your point of view. So I'm done.

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