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Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

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Does anyone know why isn't this story higher in the news feed? For the past two hours it has had over 500 upvotes and over 600 comments and it's still at position nine.

I think HN automatically denotes stories where there are more comments than votes. It might also be manually demoted further by the mods.

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Google's public code of conduct: https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html

At the bottom: "Last updated August 7, 2017" Wonder what changed today?

Two things:

- Each Googler is expected to do his or her utmost to create a workplace culture that is free of harassment, intimidation, bias, and unlawful discrimination.

+ Googlers are expected to do their utmost to create a workplace culture that is free of harassment, intimidation, bias, and unlawful discrimination.

- Make sure that information that is classified as “Need to Know” or “Confidential” in Google’s Data Security Guidelines is handled in accordance with those Guidelines and Google’s Data Security Policy.

+ Make sure that information that is classified as “Need to Know” or “Confidential” in Google’s Data Classification Guidelines is handled in accordance with those Guidelines and Google’s Data Security Policy.

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What I don't get in many of the left-leaning comments is that they're basically saying that 'patriarchy'/society is the only reason why women are underrepresented in tech. In India/Russia, there are way more women represented in tech then in US. Do you think that these cultures are more welcoming/less sexist to women than US? It should be so in your world view. I suspect that the companies in these countries doesn't…

Where are you seeing that? Your comment is the only one here saying anything about patriarchy.

Re: Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

#425

Where is Google's rebuttal of this memo? All anyone is saying is "it's wrong" etc, but where is an ACTUAL breakdown of what was incorrect about what he wrote? I feel like most "rebuttal's" are like listening to Donald Trump. "He's wrong and we're right. We're definitely right.". If you do have a link, please share!

Such a rebuttal would likely be just as controversial as the original. No sane PR person would allow it to be released.

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The author's arguments have been completely misrepresented. He pointed out widely-believed and sometimes scientifically-established differences in the DISTRIBUTION OF traits in men and women. He said that those differences make attempts to achieve numerical parity misguided, discriminatory, and harmful. What is his conclusion about how we should behave? "Treat people as individuals, not as just another member of thei…

It's not about virtue signaling, he was almost certain to be terminated just because it was a ridiculously stupid thing to say - you can't tell your teammates that they were hired because their employer lowered the bar and expect people not to be upset about it (and that's 100% what he did, he also made up pseudo-scientific bullshit to try to justify it, but he flat out insulted countless people within his company).…

it is a known fact that close to year end Google would go on a "diversity hire" binge to make their diversity numbers look good. literally recruiters are telling female candidates simply to apply and guarantees hire.

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This feels like the blue and black (white and gold) dress. It boggles my mind that people don't see the fundamental and toxic misogyny in this 'manifesto'. Please have a woman you care about in your life, preferably one in tech, read this and then ask their opinion of the piece. The "treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group" sentiment of the author is fine except that we have hundreds of…

>manifestos about your inherent inferiority at performing in technical and leadership roles

I never got that impression from the memo.

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#428

A hiring process is by nature a discriminatory event. Right? You have a pile of resumes and you discriminate between the candidates during the selection process. This happens on a number of different criteria. The criteria that we should not discriminate on are sex and race. Anyone that doesn't agree with this is out of the mainstream. The issue is that if you cannot discriminate on sex and race, and 90% (made up num…

what happens if among 100 applicants, 80% are male, 20% female?

Within each bucket, top 25% are qualified; hence 20 male, and 5 female.

But you only have room for 10 positions, 5 for male, 5 for female to reflect customer population

For male, you end up hiring top 5% whereas for female, it's top 25%.

What's an equitable way to address this?

Re: Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

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The author's arguments have been completely misrepresented. He pointed out widely-believed and sometimes scientifically-established differences in the DISTRIBUTION OF traits in men and women. He said that those differences make attempts to achieve numerical parity misguided, discriminatory, and harmful. What is his conclusion about how we should behave? "Treat people as individuals, not as just another member of thei…

>>This is the closing of the American mind. This isn't just in America. This is happening all over the world. Right wing politics is now the only refuge for people who want to speak their mind. As much as scary this is, this is the truth.

Not quite. I've been on right wing subreddits and banned repeatedly. You're only allowed to repeat the party lines there, too.

We're experiencing a polarization and lack of an ability to abide other's beliefs.

Now that firing someone for their beliefs has been demonstrated, how surprised will we be when bosses fire more people for their beliefs?

As aware humans, we should all be able to be better than this.

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