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Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by briandear »

mhp wrote: post #366
deepuj wrote: post #322

This is depressing. Trello is a beloved software for a lot of people. It's sad that Trello decided to sell off to Atlassian. I can't believe the same company that makes Jira is going to run Trello. SourceTree is the only software that they make that doesn't suck.

The Trellists made Trello. And the Trellists are going to keep working on Trello at Atlassian. Atlassian understands that Trello is unique and beloved and they definitely do not want to mess that up. Read this article that Jordan Novet wrote. I know seeing is believing and you will have to wait and see, but I agree with everything Jay Simons says in this interview. "During the interview, Simons took time to assure me…

Congrats! However, I'm still pouring out a little wine on the ground for my fallen homies who died a slow death from being Jira'd and Bitbucketed and Confluenced to the point that their will to live was crushed.

Being the anti-Jira is what made Trello great. If feels like Luke Skywalker just got bought by the Dark Side while claiming that nothing will change -- I'm still with the rebels.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by BurningFrog »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #390
mhp wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Trellists made Trello. And the Trellists are going to keep working on Trello at Atlassian. Atlassian understands that Trello is unique and beloved and they definitely do not want to mess that up. Read this article that Jordan Novet wrote. I know seeing is believing and you will have to wait and see, but I agree with everything Jay Simons says in this interview. "During the interview, Simons took time to assure me…

To be fair I've been a part of 3 acquisitions and have seen this story play out tens of times with beloved software. It always starts out this way. "The original folks are going to run it, not the new company!" "Things will stay the same" yadda yadda yadda. 1-3 years down the road, it'll be a different story. It'll be unlikely that the executive team will stick around past whatever agreement they signed with Atlassia…

The again, 1-3 years down the road things would have changed a lot anyway.

A lot of the time, the executive team that grew a startup into something big are not the best people run that new big company.

Nothing is forever, change is the only constant, cherish the time you had, and so on...

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by komali2 »

briandear wrote: post #421
mhp wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Trellists made Trello. And the Trellists are going to keep working on Trello at Atlassian. Atlassian understands that Trello is unique and beloved and they definitely do not want to mess that up. Read this article that Jordan Novet wrote. I know seeing is believing and you will have to wait and see, but I agree with everything Jay Simons says in this interview. "During the interview, Simons took time to assure me…

Congrats! However, I'm still pouring out a little wine on the ground for my fallen homies who died a slow death from being Jira'd and Bitbucketed and Confluenced to the point that their will to live was crushed. Being the anti-Jira is what made Trello great. If feels like Luke Skywalker just got bought by the Dark Side while claiming that nothing will change -- I'm still with the rebels.

I feel like I'm the only one that likes Jira more than Trello. I started on Trello, then moved to a company that uses Jira, and couldn't be happier. It's just so functional. Why does everyone hate on it?

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by pram »

iamaelephant wrote: post #409
pc86 wrote: post #372

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I'm sure you made quite a large sum of money off of this deal, but Atlassian doesn't have a great track record of purchasing non-Atlassian products and not messing them up. And... "Trellists?" They're just people.

Which products do you think Atlassian messed up after acquisition? Disclaimer I'm an Atlassian employee, but just curious.

HipChat (unless you concede it was always bad)

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by omouse »

kstrauser wrote: post #309
omouse wrote: post #295

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JIRA is so customizable that it brings out the personality of a micro-manager, even in people who are usually not micro-managers. It's interesting to see how a tool used every day can shape thinking and behaviour patterns.

I consider JIRA a code smell: if an organization uses it, I probably won't be satisfied working with them. I don't think it's because of anything especially bad with Atlassian (although I was furious when they removed the ability to edit Confluence in raw mode), as that the managers I least want to work for seem especially attracted to it. Your comment just illuminated that for me and I think you're right. It's the m…

>The best I've worked with considered PM tools essentially fungible

After taking a class and reading up on project management and trying to get more organized about my own projects, it's basically that. People have been able to orchestrate large projects with nothing more than pencil and paper and then typewriter. The best PMs don't need to force a tool choice.

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Post by briandear »

latj wrote: post #389
deepuj wrote: post #322

This is depressing. Trello is a beloved software for a lot of people. It's sad that Trello decided to sell off to Atlassian. I can't believe the same company that makes Jira is going to run Trello. SourceTree is the only software that they make that doesn't suck.

What do you like instead of Jira? I dont like Jira either but I do like bitbucket. I started using it back in the day because besides public hosting they also gave me free unlimited private repos and found it does everything I need.

I hate bitbucket. $12 or so per month for private repos is an extremely small price to pay for an infinitely better UX, better integrations and just all all around better experience. For a tool I use multiple times per hour, "free" doesn't matter much to me. Github isn't perfect, but it's damned close.

As far as Jira -- the tool itself isn't bad per se, but the way PMs turn it into their own little power-trip kingdom irritates me. There's so much focus on 'control' that I feel like a victim every time I use it. For example, if I want to move a card from In Progress to the Backlog, Jira has an option to restrict the non-anointed from moving cards. So I have to get 'permission' from someone with the right privileges to move a card. Jira is a micro-manager's wet dream.

Trello was the anti-Jira and that's what made it great.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by briandear »

farkas wrote: post #410
creativityhurts wrote: post #333

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Atlassian will most likely "sunset" Trello or somehow include it in JIRA.

We have no plans to sunset Trello. Trello is an incredible product, and an incredible brand, with an amazing team behind it. Atlassian's product range today includes unstructured (Confluence) and structured (JIRA) products. Trello fits right in the middle. It has a myriad of use-cases[1] and is loved by the millions who use it daily. [1] - https://trello.com/inspiration Scott, CEO Atlassian

For now. I've heard this all before.

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Post by pram »

gitdude wrote: post #376
pretzel wrote: post #105

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There are a few new features over the last 5 years... * Merge checks * Build status (finally...) * Audit logs * Inline editing From: https://bitbucket.org/whats-new Nothing that keeps it above Github, but they always seem to maintain feature parity. /not a bitbucket shill //just don't like inaccurate comments.

+1 We've added 4 big features just in the last 12 months + Pipelines + Git LFS + Smart Mirroring + Merge Checks More here just from Oct 2016: https://blog.bitbucket.org/2016/10/12/scaling-in-bitbucket-c... Not to mention other features like 2FA, Projects, Snippets, Bitbucket Connect, etc. in the last 2 years

When can I search code lol

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by jessaustin »

problems wrote: post #415
jessaustin wrote: post #391

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Thanks for the detailed reply. The downtime issue is certainly understandable. I hope you're keeping customer data out of DVCS, but it's true that flaws in your code might be more "discoverable" if an attacker had that code. It does introduce another step into the attack, however, to have to hack FogBugz before reading your code and discovering the flaw that hacks your services. You know your threat model better than…

I'm not too concerned about someone getting the code, reading it and discovering a flaw allowing for exploit. I'm much more concerned about someone being able to modify code that will be pulled onto production systems by build and deployment scripts (not to mention the build and deployment scripts themselves) which would allow direct access without any need to hack anything beyond the external cloud service. Even a d…

Yes, code signing is important whether onsite or off-.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by anildash »

problems wrote: post #161
anildash wrote: post #157

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(I'm the CEO at Fog Creek.) We've updated the on-premise version of FogBugz to be completely in sync with the hosted version, so all the latest features are on both now.

If you're willing to talk publicly, what's the pricing like for a very small, self-hosted group? I'm talking 3 normal users, might scale up to 5 or so. We're probably too small to be worth your time, but JIRA is offering $10/yr for up to 10 users, $10 more if you want the JIRA Agile features too.

Our pricing is here, you can check it out for yourself: http://www.fogcreek.com/fogbugz/pricing

In short: We cost a little bit more, but include features that are separate, add-on products for Jira, and generally software developers are a _lot_ happier using FogBugz. If you want to know more, just drop us a line; don't want to be too spammy here.

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