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Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by derefr »

mikeash wrote: post #258
xd1936 wrote: post #172

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Everybody in the FOSS community gets really mad at that decision... I thought it was intuitive. "How much do you want to pay?" "0 Dollars." "Great!" Why is that so horrible?

Because for most people, "0 dollars" is not a sensible answer to that question. Getting something for free is perceived as a separate kind of action from purchasing something, even if you can ultimately boil it down to the same "exchange $X for Y" process.

I mean, of course it is; but it's the obvious numeric way to encode the response "fuck you is how much." Like punching in $0 as a tip on a POS reader.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by Llevel »

mohanmcgeek wrote: post #233
kybernetyk wrote: post #33

So I went to their main page to download an ISO to give it a try in a VM. They hid the download button really well: You have to type in "0" into the "how much you'd like to pay" field for the "Purchase" button to change to "Download". I mean I understand that open source projects need funding. But if you want people to try your niche OS at least make it obvious how to download it. Ask for money later after people had…

They caught a lot of flak when they first introduced it. Not only did they introduce this, but they also shamed the people who did not pay http://m.slashdot.org/story/213469

Here is the correct link to the full text of that blog post.

http://blog.elementary.io/post/110645528530/payments

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by tempodox »

veidr wrote: post #357

My own burning hatred towards Apple runs a little hotter than most, and I have been seriously googling (and trying) alternatives since 2012. That was when my $9000 Mac Pro — which had been a great machine, and still was, except for the little detail about not having been updated since 2009 and thus being stuck with USB 2 (!!!) to say nothing of Thunderbolt and any kind of modern accoutrements — started to feel like a…

I suspect the political-correctness dogs around here might bark at your wording, but I still think you've nailed it.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by sndean »

aibottle wrote: post #222

Do people realize they can run Linux on their Macbooks? Who needs elementary, just install Debian.

Last year I found that trying to use rEFInd (keeping OS X on the Macbook) was really painful, so I quit.

Is the experience a lot better if it's just Debian alone?

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by pjmlp »

marrs wrote: post #397
pjmlp wrote: post #288

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If you think that, then you don't have any idea of what a fully working desktop stack for GUI developers looks like. GTK+ is no competition for these APIs: https://developer.apple.com/reference/

well the not-fully-working desktop stack for Linux devs seems to work just fine for them. I've certainly never had a problem with it. I've never had a problem with the Apple kit either but it's nothing to write home about. The only thing I've seen Apple do that I did think was really cool is the package signing.

Hence why no one bothers with desktop GNU/Linux, as for many even Electron apps are good enough.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by pjmlp »

matzipan wrote: post #355
pjmlp wrote: post #292

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None of them has the polish of a full working desktop stack like macOS. Once upon a time, around 2000-2, I did some minor contributions to Gtkmm.

Yeah. See my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12854983

I know GNU/Linux since 1995, eventually one gets tired of being part of the 3% desktop usage.

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Post by highace »

veidr wrote: post #357

My own burning hatred towards Apple runs a little hotter than most, and I have been seriously googling (and trying) alternatives since 2012. That was when my $9000 Mac Pro — which had been a great machine, and still was, except for the little detail about not having been updated since 2009 and thus being stuck with USB 2 (!!!) to say nothing of Thunderbolt and any kind of modern accoutrements — started to feel like a…

Windows? It's really not that bad.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by pjmlp »

marrs wrote: post #206
coldtea wrote: post #128

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> value functionality over aesthetics. Not much in that department, either. Nothing that beats the proprietary software staples, especially for creatives, that I happen to use: no Cubase, Pro Tools, Photoshop, Premiere, etc. Lots of apps ranging from "close but no cigar" to "why even try?".

If you're a developer, almost all the killer apps support Linux first. But you're right that this is the deal breaker

I am a developer and most of my killer tools have their place on macOS and Windows.

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Post by Grishnakh »

vladimir-y wrote: post #415
Grishnakh wrote: post #413

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A typical Windows user is going to have no clue what to do if they have a serious OS issue too.

Windows on desktop is a more stable system than Linux on desktop.

No it's not. I have far more problems with my Win7 and Win10 systems at work than I do with my Linux system at home.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by highace »

ashark wrote: post #376
kabdib wrote: post #92

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Windows is getting better, but it will still make you very angry. The update system makes me howl. The shell is pale shadow of the MacOS terminal (you can kind of fix this with other shells, but the app-restore behavior after a reboot? Gone, and Windows reboots a lot compared to MacOS).

> but the app-restore behavior after a reboot? Gone, and Windows reboots a lot compared to MacOS It's annoying enough on my gaming machine, I can't imagine using Win10 on a device I use for serious work. Reboots seemingly every 36 hours or so. Their update system is totally out of control.

You can disable that, you know. It's one of the first things I do after an install.
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