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This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by doktrin »

aggieben wrote: post #411
lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

There's a stark difference between a free and voluntary association of like-minded people and a so-called "safe space", which uses a pretext of "victimization" to capriciously thought control others who simply committed the offense of disagreeing or criticizing. If you hate Christianity, why would you go to this school? If you aren't willing to follow behavioral rules, why would you go to this school? If you think ph…

Agreed. The parent was making a fairly disingenuous comparison.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by aggieben »

[deleted] wrote: post #404
lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

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Not entirely sure what all you're getting at, but you don't find conservatives running around offended that you said "estate tax" instead of "death tax" or, more importantly, trying to make others use their preferred euphemism.

Having said that, I fully admit there may be a few phrases that conservatives might be a bit sensitive to, but it would surely be a very short list.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by jccc »

nightspirit wrote: post #416
6stringmerc wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for posting the Mission Statement. Got me thinking a little bit more about their "values" so I was able to quickly dredge up a course catalog. Why? I wondered what their take on Biology would be - you know, that whole Evolution thing. To wit: Biology Major — Students will demonstrate the following outcomes, upon completion of the Biology degree offered by the School of Arts and Sciences: 1. A sound basic under…

This looks like they are actually jettisoning Biblical Creationism and trying to explain the act of "Creation" in terms of evolutionary processes. I'm under impression that such is also the official stance of the major "mainstream" churches today.

The word "proposed" elides quite a bit. It seems clear that they are "teaching the controversy," which is just another way of teaching creationism.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by ctdonath »

6stringmerc wrote: post #256
lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

This is a really important observation. Also, in the US, it's quite relevant to the current state of political rhetoric - I know the 'outrage half-life' is pretty short these days, but pointing to the Starbucks Red Cup "manufactured controversy" can, I think, reasonably be referenced to illustrate the hypocritical victimization tendency alive and well in modern (fundamentalist-oriented) Christianity. I think it's no…

The "red cup controversy" wasn't "alive and well in modern Christianity" as there was no actual outrage about the cup, only self-congratulatory outrage by others against the presumed & imputed anti-red-cup outrage which didn't actually exist. What's telling is how many people were quick to sneer at a group for doing something they didn't do.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by 6stringmerc »

nightspirit wrote: post #416
6stringmerc wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for posting the Mission Statement. Got me thinking a little bit more about their "values" so I was able to quickly dredge up a course catalog. Why? I wondered what their take on Biology would be - you know, that whole Evolution thing. To wit: Biology Major — Students will demonstrate the following outcomes, upon completion of the Biology degree offered by the School of Arts and Sciences: 1. A sound basic under…

This looks like they are actually jettisoning Biblical Creationism and trying to explain the act of "Creation" in terms of evolutionary processes. I'm under impression that such is also the official stance of the major "mainstream" churches today.

Not to me, I think it looks like "proposed" is a side-stepping phrasing that replaces a perfectly reasonable one like "established" because, at the core, Evolution does not cross-pollenate with Creation. It's simply a scientific observation codified into an accepted understanding of nature. To juxtapose the two - Evolution and Creation - is inherently suspect.

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Post by darkr »

CaptSpify wrote: post #330
lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

I went to a similar school (not affiliated with OKWU), and had a very similar experience. I tried asking certain questions which were...not encouraged. Additionally, we had: Bible-majors for men, and Christian-Education Studies for women. I saw many women who were failed essentially because they were a woman and "women shouldn't be pastors, they should be Sunday-School teachers". The education was much more about "li…

> I saw many women who were failed essentially because they were a woman and "women shouldn't be pastors, they should be Sunday-School teachers".

By rights, they shouldn't even be entrusted with that responsibility really. I mean, Eve was pretty much answerable for the downfall of mankind.

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

maaku wrote: post #21
lagadu wrote: post #3

I find it baffling that there are people, in the real world, who somehow think that for unexplained reasons they have the right to not be offended or be made to feel uncomfortable. Somehow they believe that their feelings are the responsibility of everyone else.

While I sympathize with your viewpoint, perhaps I can shed some clarity on the other side. The concern is not feelings getting hurt, but rather physical security as a person of minority status. This is something that a white heterosexual middle-class male (such as myself) can probably never fully appreciate, but I try to sympathize. Imagine what it is like to be black in a country where just a few generations back yo…

Imagine what it is like to be a male, which per CDC reports have an almost equal chance to be raped within the last year as a woman, but who no one takes the assault serious even when you have significant evidence. Imagine what it is like when even the CDC report, from an official government agency, decides to specify a definition of rape that purposefully excludes you, and then leaves that fact out of the summary.

We can play this game, but I'm pretty sure there are no winners.

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Post by jessaustin »

darkr wrote: post #389
lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

> It's honestly baffling because I am sure there are hundreds of very smart people there who must realize this, including the professors and administration. Well, they can't be that smart, given they haven't yet figured out that there is no supernatural dude who lives in the sky who communicates with them telepathically, and there is no such thing as ghosts (holy or otherwise).

I am not religious, but this is simply prejudice, and it doesn't belong here. What a sheltered life you claim to have led, not to have met anyone "smart" who is also religious.

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Post by 6stringmerc »

joeclark77 wrote: post #406
6stringmerc wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for posting the Mission Statement. Got me thinking a little bit more about their "values" so I was able to quickly dredge up a course catalog. Why? I wondered what their take on Biology would be - you know, that whole Evolution thing. To wit: Biology Major — Students will demonstrate the following outcomes, upon completion of the Biology degree offered by the School of Arts and Sciences: 1. A sound basic under…

It doesn't contain the word "Creationism". The word "Creation" simply means "the universe", i.e. that which is created.

No, it's not that blatant, as I mention elsewhere. However, from my understanding of Evolution, there is no associated implication with respect to the origin of life. Thus, it's a specious pairing of concepts, further anchored by the last point regarding "Biblical Principles" because taking the good book literally means the 6 day Creation of Genesis doesn't leave any room for Evolution.
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