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Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation
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Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation
#412Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where did it say that you could not refuse to answer the questions?
That's what AI is saying: >Schedule 7 is the law that allows the police to detain anyone at the UK borders without any requirement to show probable cause and hold them for up to nine hours, without seeking further justification. The detainee must respond to any questions, regardless of whether a lawyer is present. No lawyer is provided automatically. >It is a criminal offence for the detainee to refuse to answer ques…
Hmm, it seems that one wouldn't be in violation of that if every answer was "I want a lawyer before I am willing to answer that".
Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation
#413Earlier quoted context omitted.
...casting nasty looks my way.... That's one of the worst parts of abuses of power; the people not being abused very quickly start to blame the victims of abuse. "You must be a bad person if they're talking to you," onlookers might be thinking to themselves.
In this thread a man being detained for 9 hours has been compared as worse than mafia members murdering people, now apparently the look on the faces of hte officers is a serious abuse too. This whole thread has destroyed any credibility HN had.
If you don't understand why this is far worse than nuking London, then you have no reason to be on HN.
Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation
#414Earlier quoted context omitted.
The typical reaction I've seen is snark. The most memorable one was a Facebook post: "I don't care if Obama reads my text messages. All he'll learn is how to sext." Most of the "smart" people I know, both in and out of the tech industry, are more interested in Egypt, Syria, and the large drop in US stock market indices last week. How sad is it that Orwell's dire portrayal of Big Brother is no longer as relevant to mo…
That's probably because Orwell's utopia is too extreme to happen... the steps that lead to it are too radical, and can only happen in some extreme circonstances. So Orwell was a little paranoid... but Huxley was spot on.
Except for the orgy-porgy part. Still waiting on those to start up, Aldous.
Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation
#415Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a mistake because targeting a journalist's family member is quite likely to piss the average journalist the fuck off. The Washington Press corps can make Obama's life fucking miserable if they so choose, and absolutely drown his agenda in press about Snowden, Greenwald, how and when the White House communicated with the UK about this, and a million other things. They can make an oxygen-sucking scandal out of not…
You realise that such speculation is more immoral than the acts carried out so far right? You're ostensibly describing trying to blackmail the most powerful man in the world.
...what?
Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation
#416I know it is the British who detained Mr. Miranda, and not the US but Groucho Marx would have loved the setup.
Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation
#417Earlier quoted context omitted.
You realise that such speculation is more immoral than the acts carried out so far right? You're ostensibly describing trying to blackmail the most powerful man in the world.
...what?
The parent poster said that the US should not detain journalists as journalists could dig up all sorts of nasty secrets.
"Don't do this or I will harm your reputation" is blackmail. Not really a moral thing to be talking about doing.
Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation
#418Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interestingly, the US apparently reconstituted the Mafia (which had been destroyed by Mussolini) to undermine WWII resistance, labor unions and leftist movements. The stuff they don't teach in school... ( http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/200205--.htm , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborations_between_the_Unit... )
Yes, not many fascist leaders from Italy were ever prosecuted for their crimes post war. Caused quite a stir in places like Yugoslavia. Britain was initially trying to be helpful but they were losing support from the locals (Italians) and then USA told them to back off.
The same thing happened in Germany. The top level guys were tried at Nuremberg, but Nazi 'middle management' ruled West Germany for decades after the war. This, in turn, was an important motivation for the formation of the Rote Armee Fraktion.
Western liberal democracy often forgets (or pretends to forget) that history is a thing, and that people have memoeries. There are many more instances where Western foreign policy (often initiated by the US, supported by Europe) was beneficial to us in the short term, while having negative long term consequences. The CIA calls it 'blowback'. The last century in the Middle East and South and Central America is riddled with it. And then people turn around and ask 'why do they hate us?'.
I despair.
Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation
#419I think this is a terrible mistake but I do wish he'd stop referring to himself as a journalist. He's a political protagonist using his platform for change. Journalist's don't "aggressively" report on stories. It matters because GG is now so tightly integrated into this story that we need to view his comments not as those of an impartial reporter. I doubt they think they can intimidate him. They probably are hoping t…
One of the functions of a free press (journalists) is exactly to aggressively report on the malintent of bureaucrats and the maladministration of government power. Actual journalism is and always has been a form of dissent.
"He said he would respond by writing reports "much more aggressively than before" and would publish "many more documents".
"I have lots of documents about the way the secret services operate in England. Now my focus will be there as well," he added.
"I think they are going to regret what they did."
- Does it sound like he is now reporting impartially or is he clearly a participant in the game with revenge on his mind?
Re: Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation
#420Earlier quoted context omitted.
Stop licking the boots of power for a second and think about what you've said: literally, that imagining questions one might ask of misbehaving public servants is worse than the original misbehavior of those public servants. What color is the sky in your world?
No, what I said was that the actions being speculated are blackmail. Blackmail of the POTUS. Not a very moral or smart decision. The fact that you instantly jump to 'licking the boots of power' indicates to me that you don't tolerate any dissent from your views.
No, the actions being speculated were about the possibility of retaliation if the government pisses off the wrong journalists too much. For there to be blackmail, someone would need to make a threat in advance.