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Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by bulder »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #380
Insimwytim wrote: post #356

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This is misinformed. As many have said before: it's basically malicious compliance. They're supposed to be super annoying ... Instead of complying, they choose this obnoxious practice so they could continue ... monitoring every action a visitor does. You don't need a cookie banner to be allowed to create Cookies. You only need them if you're using them for something like tracking. [1] Regulators didn't enforce cookie…

Why does static site of Europe's parliament need big cookie banner? Or is that the parliament which created this law doesn't know what you know or they are doing "malicious compliance". [1]: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/portal/en

Because they use a commercial service (AT Internet) for analytics and visitor tracking as stated in their cookies policy and cookie inventory. This information is readily available through the cookie banner.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by dieselgate »

xtracto wrote: post #405
dieselgate wrote: post #401

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> Advertising should.be illegal. I dislike advertising as much as the next guy but wouldn't go so far as making it illegal

I was thinking of this post that made the rounds here some weeks ago: https://simone.org/advertising/

Thank you for the follow up link, it brings up good points. I think the 1st Amendment angle is too quickly brushed off by the author and not sure how this would be settled in a legal dispute--especially considering the means and depth of advertising and tech companies. The article is worth reading and great food for thought. Isn't this a part of legally excluding under-18s from using social media?

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by _kst_ »

breuleux wrote: post #163
boomlinde wrote: post #49

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All buttons and links need to shift around for a good 10 seconds before the page settles.

I wish we had a UI paradigm where whatever is underneath your cursor is not allowed to change. If you hover a button, that button must remain right there for you to click, if you hover some text, it must remain there for you to select. Browser and OS-enforced, ideally. We can debate the specifics, maybe it's only in effect for X seconds after you stop moving the cursor, maybe it creates a 100px diameter disk of stabi…

And if a button has appeared on the screen in the last half second or so, assume that any attempt to click it was unintentional (unless it appeared due to an explicit action by the user).

Similarly, if a button has recently moved, wait a little while before activating it. (Better yet, arrange for things not to move around as the page is loading.)

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by moritzwarhier »

dieselgate wrote: post #401
xtracto wrote: post #354

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Spamming image based penny stocks emails also worked; doesn't make it right. Advertising should.be illegal.

> Advertising should.be illegal. I dislike advertising as much as the next guy but wouldn't go so far as making it illegal

(edit; not directly responding only to your comment, also to the parent)

Advertising is shitty but how would you realistically even make it illegal without violating free speech.

Also, advertising does have a good-faith purpose in functioning markets.

Failures in regulation IMO are mostly at entirely different levels.

E.g. monetization of public utilities and public space. Noise, brightness, and of course deceptive tactics could all be better regulated as well.

But advertising, including its diffusion into general pop culture and entertainment, is older than the printing press, and I think for a broad sense of "advertising", even a lot older.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

bee_rider wrote: post #114
jchw wrote: post #95

Should load much slower. Also, where is the unrelated autoplaying video that will unmute if you actually click it, that follows your scrolling and only becomes smaller when you dismiss it? Plus, it should probably have text that cuts off letting you know you can have access for just $10/month. Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's t…

> Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's that at? This is the most annoying thing on the internet. There’s a site I’d like to use, but “try the app” takes up the entire page (and appears to be impossible to dismiss?). Actually, is there a way to permanently request the desktop site for all future visits to a domain on iOS? There is n…

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Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by jiggawatts »

breuleux wrote: post #163
boomlinde wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All buttons and links need to shift around for a good 10 seconds before the page settles.

I wish we had a UI paradigm where whatever is underneath your cursor is not allowed to change. If you hover a button, that button must remain right there for you to click, if you hover some text, it must remain there for you to select. Browser and OS-enforced, ideally. We can debate the specifics, maybe it's only in effect for X seconds after you stop moving the cursor, maybe it creates a 100px diameter disk of stabi…

Similarly, the UI must not interrupt me when I’m typing into a text field!

I’ve lost count of the number of modal dialogs I’ve “accepted” because they popped up out of nowhere milliseconds before I pressed enter coincidentally.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by jen729w »

gtowey wrote: post #269
ryandrake wrote: post #214

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That's the real problem. Being aggressively annoying works . Dark patterns work. Popups that grab your attention work. Flashing text conveying urgency works. Thumbnails with open-mouth YouTube-face work. Moving buttons around so people mis-click works. Tiny [X] buttons that make people accidentally click an ad work. You're never going to convince someone to stop doing something that is making them money.

Yes, but on whom does it work? Does it work because you're taking advantage of a group of people who are extremely vulnerable to manipulation? People who already struggle with impulse control, who are prone to making bad financial decisions? The elderly, kids? We have to escape this mentality that anything that makes money is valid, that the money itself is the validation of "rightness". Some of us, just some think t…

> We have to escape this mentality that anything that makes money is valid, that the money itself is the validation of "rightness".

I agree. But.

I run an online business. It's tough. I scrape by. GP noted that the skeezy popup "Boosted conversion rate meaningfully". So that's real money in GP's pocket that they presumably use to have a nicer life. At what cost? Some popup? I mean…

Would I take more money in my pocket? Boy, I'd like that. So far I haven't gone the skeezy popup route, but the day I try, and more money ends up in my pocket, it's gonna be hard to turn that thing off.

I'm not judging, is all I'm saying.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by xXSLAYERXx »

rao-v wrote: post #174
idopmstuff wrote: post #152

I started an e-commerce brand on a Shopify site. I swore to myself I would never put up one of those stupid things that pops up "Someone bought X product an hour ago!" messages in the corner of the screen. I ended up trying it. Boosted conversion rate meaningfully. Worth the price I pay in mild self-loathing. Chesterton's popup, I guess.

Genuine curiosity - is the pop up vaguely factual or sort of randomly generated?

Gosh, I always assumed they were factual. Now I'm wondering the factualness of the old "15 people have this in their shopping cart" and "This is a popular item - limited stock left".
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