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Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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Why?

There will be more and more mathematical proofs provided by LLMs as they improve. If you assume every one is just a marketing tactic, you'll drive yourself insane.

you can believe a small, irrelevant lie and still go on happy. a very big lie sucks in more and more of your reality until you have to disbelieve your own eyes and ears.

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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The poster works at Anthropic, so they likely have internal access to the next generation of Fable. Their internal model is probably an absolute beast at mathematics, and the upcoming benchmark results will likely set a new record for maths performance. I suspect this is what happened, because the poster is coy about sharing the actual prompt / reasoning trace used to reach this result. That would be covered by an ND…

Quite a jump in conclusion you are making here.

Sol is able to find the same counter example independently [1], so no reason to conclude in the existence of a benchmark destroying math beast Fable 6.

[1]: https://x.com/aaron_lou/status/2079218392452530249

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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Wikipedia's gonna Wikipedia. Unless there's a material debate over the Jacobian Conjecture itself, there's really no open question here. This isn't a complicated proof; it's a straightforwardly checkable certificate of a solution.

I removed the "claimed" weasel wording, and now others have followed up. The editors that don't understand math and don't realize how easily this counterexample can be confirmed have lost the debate -- not that there really ever was one.

Wikipedia has policies and it needs to use reliable sources. This rule is often skirted and a lot of facts are cited to self-published and fast moving web sources. Those who are braking the progress on the article here are doing the right thing, trying to uphold the editorial standard.

Luckily there is now a New Scientist article to link to, so, the issue should now be resolved.

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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If we don't ask for proof when someone claims something, the next few years are going to be rough for everyone. We can't trust anything nowadays

They have provided a literal mathematical proof.

Proof that an LLM did it and that this is not yet again another marketing stunt.

Remember when Anthropic wouldn't release Fable because it would be "the end of cyber security as we know it"? Yet here we are

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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The field now favors into the view that symbolic manipulation is not the mechanism of general intelligence, but rather an emergent byproduct of learning. So the fact that a connectionist machine (neural network) got so good at symbolic manipulation actually supports the view that we are closing the gap to general intelligence. Through the rote work, the machine really internalizes those rules and the symbolic manipul…

I am not confused. Because herein these forums, I predicted everything that was going to happen years ago. And the "insane inefficiency" of deep learning is fully to be expected from how it works. As well, there are provably no—literally no—emergent properties in these models. The choice of metric was a convenient, sloppy, and embarrassing fault of the field. It should be discredited; the field should be embarrassed;…

"I am not confused. Because herein these forums, I predicted everything that was going to happen years ago."

I mean, lol.

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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This is so unreasonable! As @__alpoge__ himself notes this is classic crank graveyard territory and yet the counter example is something a grad student in 1997 could have found w a ~3 day computer search. Wild!

> and yet the counter example is something a grad student in 1997 could have found w a ~3 day computer search Is that true? Even restricting this to f(x,y,z) and coefficients and powers to 1 ≤ x ≤ 10, there are a lot of polynomials to check, and checking requires checking the Jacobian determinant and, if it’s a non zero constant, finding two points for which the polynomial produces the same value. Or is there a way t…

I mean you’d probably just generate random low descriptive length f(x,y,z), check for a const determinant then poke for invertibility.

Be fun to ask Fable to write a search program to find more counter examples using only early grad theory to guide the search.

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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I told GPT5.6 I came up with this walking down the street. "Jesus Christ" was its response.

Lol, you must have some custom instructions on that beast, lol

4.8 is much funnier: you have to convince it the counterexample is real, it keeps coming up with goofy excuses. As you talk it down, it keeps talking about its "discomfort" and "flinching".

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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A little over 10 years ago I remember meeting a postdoc who believed he had something close to a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture. He and another person was bruteforcing polynomials in about 16 variables, something like 80 - 700 terms each, using binary trees for mapping coefficients. They were guessing, at the time, that the lower bound of a counterexample (P, Q) for max(deg(P), deg(Q)) would go up to 200.…

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This anti-AI sentiment is getting borderline insane.

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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So many mathematicians over the years tried hard and failed, but now Anthropic just for some PR magically did it? And this after LLMs obtaining different math wins? What is your logic here really escapes my understanding.

The parent's absolutely nonsensical post highlights how polarized AI (as everything else) is today. I can understand someone being opposed to AI on moral, cost-benefit or productivity grounds. But we're seeing a lot of extremist "AI is good for nothing" posts out there nowadays.

If you can call it polarized when a majority of people are just happily using the technology while a minority keeps spreading delusions and hatred.

Re: Claude Fable produced a counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture

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They have provided a literal mathematical proof.

Proof that an LLM did it and that this is not yet again another marketing stunt. Remember when Anthropic wouldn't release Fable because it would be "the end of cyber security as we know it"? Yet here we are

This proof was posted by an individual researcher, Anthropic has not used it in any of their marketing.

Additionally, posting this during the World Cup would be the most inefficient way to do marketing.

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