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Re: The kids with phones are alright

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pendenthistory wrote: post #250
anon291 wrote: post #128

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Kids shouldn't have smartphones until much later, like late teenage years. A flip phone for kids who are out of the house regularly with some contacts is fine. No need to be a Luddite, but what do kids possibly get out of a phone? If I didn't have work and to chauffeur people around, id toss mine too.

Until lately I thought messaging apps like WhatsApp is ok, but this summer my eleven year old niece has been depressed, crying at the summer lake house with extended family because she can see her friends hanging out on WhatsApp. Incredibly toxic. Basically she can't enjoy the adventures we have here because of it. Even a simple thing like group chats completely destroy their brains.

Taking a kid away from their friends to do some "forced fun", is the issue here. No the group chat.

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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swiftcoder wrote: post #239
anon291 wrote: post #128

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Kids shouldn't have smartphones until much later, like late teenage years. A flip phone for kids who are out of the house regularly with some contacts is fine. No need to be a Luddite, but what do kids possibly get out of a phone? If I didn't have work and to chauffeur people around, id toss mine too.

> No need to be a Luddite, but what do kids possibly get out of a phone? In far more cases than is ideal, the phone gives them an element of freedom/safety from their living situation. Imagine a kid whose own parents are abusing them, or an LGBT kid growing up in a deeply conservative family, and one day the government suddenly decides you don't deserve being able to connect with support resources...

There's more than social media for that.....

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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curtisblaine wrote: post #143
NoPicklez wrote: post #96

My question to these sorts of articles is, okay so what do we do then? What do we do when we know that social media it not healthy for kids. Its not good for their attention spans or mental health to a much greater degree than other forms of media. Nobody is saying kids shouldn't have phones, but they should be able to use them without being engulfed in social media content that has been shown to have a negative impa…

Question: aren't you allowed to photograph or film anyone you want in public? Or the target being underage somehow removes this right? I always thought you can film whoever you want, but you can't publish what you filmed in some cases.

Depends on usage, and it's a data protection breach if you don't publish the data controllers contact info.

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by marysol5 »

throwfaraway135 wrote: post #198
NoPicklez wrote: post #96

My question to these sorts of articles is, okay so what do we do then? What do we do when we know that social media it not healthy for kids. Its not good for their attention spans or mental health to a much greater degree than other forms of media. Nobody is saying kids shouldn't have phones, but they should be able to use them without being engulfed in social media content that has been shown to have a negative impa…

Kids need freedom to make their own decisions, without that they won't grow to be self realized adults. For this specific issue, the solution is simple and straightforward: shaming. None confronted the pervert in the train, because no one knows what is acceptable today and what is not.

>For this specific issue, the solution is simple and straightforward: shaming. None confronted the pervert in the train, because no one knows what is acceptable today and what is not.

Huh? That's exactly what they did to the pervert on the train, because they knew that wasn't acceptable today

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Post by marysol5 »

yogorenapan wrote: post #159
fragmede wrote: post #101

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> Nobody is saying kids shouldn't have phones I'll say it. Kids shouldn't have phones until the age of 16.

I got my first bug bounty at 16. Not having access to compute would've drastically changed the direction of my life. I wouldn't have been able to afford university & would likely be working on a farm right now like my cousins

I got my first legal threat for reporting a vulnerability at 14 :(

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by marysol5 »

NeutralCrane wrote: post #312
yogorenapan wrote: post #159

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I got my first bug bounty at 16. Not having access to compute would've drastically changed the direction of my life. I wouldn't have been able to afford university & would likely be working on a farm right now like my cousins

Well they didn’t say 16 years olds should not having access to compute so your point is irrelevant.

This is what aannoys me about all the discussions on these issues.

People come up with all sorts of random scenarios, that aren't even related to "prove" something...

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by marysol5 »

theamk wrote: post #321
fragmede wrote: post #101

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> Nobody is saying kids shouldn't have phones I'll say it. Kids shouldn't have phones until the age of 16.

Don't your kids go anywhere by themselves? Or do they stay at home / only get ferried by the parents? A bus-tracking app on my phone completely changed how I interact with public transit, and made it significantly better. I remember waiting for the bus when I was 14, and I would not wish this to anyone. A maps app is great when you are going to less-familiar places - either into the big city, or into large parks (alt…

I once nearly had the police called on me for being missing as a kid.

Hadn't got the bus straight from school to my grandma's house, needed to go home first (walkable) and pick up something.

Missed the bus then that was due, and waited over an hour for the next one.

So I was now best part of 2 hours late, and I didn't have a phone yet....

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by marysol5 »

inigyou wrote: post #254
Kiro wrote: post #190

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Attention economy is a red herring. HN shows that you don't need to do much to be more addictive than TikTok. It's human nature.

You just need easy access to an unpredictable reward. Humans or other animals will pull the lever as much as possible to try to catch a high reward.

"Updoots to the left"

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by marysol5 »

simonask wrote: post #281
RealityVoid wrote: post #117

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This is obviously an overstatement. Sure, a phone is convenient, but we managed to function just fine without smartphones. I assure you, it's possible to do all those things without a phone.

We managed without smartphones before smartphones were a requirement for participating in society. That is, if you’re a millennial or older. We can’t just pretend that it’s possible to live an adult life without one in 2026. In 2008, certainly, but that’s not the world these kids grew up in. But we’re talking about kids, which is a whole different matter.

Meh, I've been a drunken idiot who's lost his phone on multiple occasions.

I've still managed to exist in society and do everything I need to do with all the more "analogue" systems we have.

Having to ring a friend from a phone box because I'd lost my phone the night before we were meant to meetup was fun

Re: The kids with phones are alright

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Post by marysol5 »

amtamt wrote: post #93
pluralmonad wrote: post #89

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This works for me: echo "0.0.0.0 youtube.com www.youtube.com m.youtube.com" | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts

One really does that on phones?

You'd have to root it....which breaks most functionality even if you do it.

So it's a flat no

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