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Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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appplication wrote: post #286
grvdrm wrote: post #274

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>This is how you behave when you think you're so much smarter than everyone around you that consequences don't apply you. Spot on perfect. I see this too often and not just in tech.

An acquaintance of mine was accidentally wired about $100k when it was supposed to be $5k. Before it could be reversed, they moved accounts and immediately bought a one way flight out of country. They then changed all socials and handles. They are now ignoring all court documents and are on track to get a default judgement against them. Their rationale? “It’s mine, they owed me this”. They are 100% convinced that the…

> They are 100% convinced that they are in the right, not just that they can keep it but that they actually intended to send them this to begin with.

They quite clearly do not believe that. If they did, they wouldn't need to go into hiding or leave the country.

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Post by tonyhart7 »

joshstrange wrote: post #2

Some pretty damning stuff: > OpenAI also instructs new hires on how to avoid scrutiny when they leave Apple. For example, Mr. Tan warns them not to tell Apple that they have taken jobs at OpenAI, so they can stay at Apple as long as they can. > Apple says it discovered a pattern of OpenAI recruits emailing themselves confidential information when leaving Apple, including Tan. > OpenAI apparently used confidential App…

make sense since they stole all of humanity knowledge for their gain

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

OtomotO wrote: post #408
crossroadsguy wrote: post #340

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Yeah. I was encouraged to take the lump-sum money my company paid (like most happily did - not taxed; amount equalling latest base iPhone cost) and get MDM installed on the personal phone so that we could access email and everything on that. Laptop was company issued anyway. I, and very few, chose company phone and I got a new SIM just for the company and set it up (they had to pay the SIM bill as well). A nice side…

Exactly that. I wasn't reachable by phone for company related stuff outside my regular working hours unless I had on-call-duty, which means it was working hours. I don't get why people would be proud about not setting boundaries.

It really depends on where you want to steer your career. There's some roles, especially in management, where "working hours only" isn't really an option; if you aspire to one of those you've gotta convince people you'll do what's necessary.

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Post by yoyohello13 »

calf wrote: post #368
yoyohello13 wrote: post #318

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It seems to be a common trait of the AI people to just brazenly violate the law. It’s like a requirement for working at openAI is to think rules don’t apply to you because you’re so smart.

No it's because they think they're saving the world.

Nothing more dangerous really.

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Post by raziel2701 »

Cyberdog wrote: post #260
andy_ppp wrote: post #194

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Has nobody heard about this theory yet? https://youtu.be/RqDAMeqvUgo

That video's over an hour long. Care to sum it up for us?

Idea is that Trump would bailout AI companies and call it "job protection" or "America growth" or "national security" because they know the word 'bailout' is politically bad.

Other ideas discussed are that AI companies are going through a chain of larger and larger subsidies: VC --> Big Tech --> Governments. And that these companies haven't been able to make money off of AI so they're priming things for a bailout that's not a bailout wink wink. And that they foresee a situation where Trump will accept bribes in order to heavily regulate some AI companies but not others. Picking winners and losers.

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Post by mvkel »

Aurornis wrote: post #124
joshstrange wrote: post #2

Some pretty damning stuff: > OpenAI also instructs new hires on how to avoid scrutiny when they leave Apple. For example, Mr. Tan warns them not to tell Apple that they have taken jobs at OpenAI, so they can stay at Apple as long as they can. > Apple says it discovered a pattern of OpenAI recruits emailing themselves confidential information when leaving Apple, including Tan. > OpenAI apparently used confidential App…

It gets even worse. The person not only kept the laptop and used an exploit to download confidential Apple documents, they bragged about it to a contact who was still working at Apple who was also feeding him information: > Liu allegedly kept an Apple-issued laptop after departing the company and exploited a vulnerability to download dozens of confidential Apple documents while he was working at OpenAI. He also maint…

> "People just submitted it. I don't know why. They 'trust me'. Dumb f*ks" - Mark Zuckerberg

Sometimes there are no consequences

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Post by appplication »

afavour wrote: post #369
html5cat wrote: post #197

Interesting how Tang Yew Tan worked at Apple for 25 years (!!) and then threw it all out for this.

And how many years of being passed over for promotions, I wonder. Not that it justifies what he did for a moment but you can absolutely work somewhere for a long time and end up resenting it by the time you leave.

Being spurned is one possible motivation, but so is an outstanding offer, where you go from middle of the pack performer with career stagnation to superstar leading the hot new product.
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