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Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by krapp »

wqaatwt wrote: post #372
krapp wrote: post #237

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The public was already on Luigi Mangione's side in theory. In practice however he didn't inspire further revolutionary action by the public, because they were pacified by memes. And that's why he's a failure.

Also because most people presumably aren’t really into indiscriminate irrational murder. The victim was a merely an entirely replaceable cog in an unfair system (also a human being who had a family and there is no real evidence he personally was anymore nefarious than other men in similar positions).

>Also because most people presumably aren’t really into indiscriminate irrational murder

It was murder, but it was neither indiscriminate nor irrational. Certainly not in a culture that enshrines the right to shoot people as its second most sacred Constitutional principle.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

basilikum wrote: post #394
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #380

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Not really. The Taliban’s attacks on civilians didn’t help their cause. They found success when they started acting as a more-competent government than our fucks in Kabul. If we want to debate whether the Taliban under occupation had any success with its terrorist tactics, I guess I’d concede that one man’s terrorist is another’s guerrilla fighter. But even then, guerilla tactics rely on a sympathetic local populatio…

I'm not exactly an expert on Afghan politics and the reason for the failure of the western backed government are surely multifaceted, but don't you think that destabilizing the country through terror attacks played a role in the sustained weakness of the government as well as the withdrawal of the West?

> don't you think that destabilizing the country through terror attacks played a role in the sustained weakness of the government as well as the withdrawal of the West?

Not an expert either. I haven’t seen one make this case. What I have seen is cross-conflict studies on the success of terrorism, and that sets my baseline for Afghanistan being a special case. (Domestic terrorism works a little bit more frequently than international terrorism. But they’re both very, very bad strategies that frequently blow back.)

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Post by protocolture »

necovek wrote: post #109
giancarlostoro wrote: post #67

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People who dont pretend it has zero negative consequences as well. I understand the medicinal uses, most people arent even doing that, but we are overlooking so many things. I think someone should fund serious studies that look at all the benefits and negatives, sadly we dont live in a perfect world.

There have been plenty of studies. People overdose on legal stimulants and drugs all the time (caffeine, alcohol, OTC drugs...). Nothing points to THC being at all worse than many other legal stimulants.

I once OD'd on caffeine and the hospital staff didnt believe me. They just filled me with saline and kept asking if it was meth until I stopped convulsing.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by inigyou »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #351
striking wrote: post #272

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From https://www.newsweek.com/brian-thompson-muder-health-insuran... > The fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson has prompted healthcare executives to say they will address growing frustrations among Americans struggling with access to and costs of medical care. From https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/23/health/health-insurers-preapp... > Months after the killing of a top health insurance executive unleashed…

> hard to say for sure I don’t think it is. Healthcare prices are widely tracked. They’ve been rising faster than inflation for years. I have seen zero evidence that trend even temporarily abated after Luigi.

my bad, it was actually denial rates that improved

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Post by Lerc »

oooyay wrote: post #310
pcrh wrote: post #195

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This is referred to as shifting the Overton window. If voices from the extreme are not heard, the Overton window moves away from their position, so protests help their cause even if only a minority completely agree with them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

I don't think Overton implied any causality between the phases of the window, just that distinct phases exist and that forces act on the window to cause it to shrink, expand, and shift.

Interestingly, considering my post above, I think that view of the Overton window misrepresents what Overton thought.

It was first and foremost a decription based on observation, but I think it conveyed that he felt that the Overton window was moved by vorces in the middle, and forces at the extremes moved it in the other direction.

There is a distinction to be made of how strongly the opinion is held compared to how much the opinion differs to the median view.

I think there is a correlation at the extremes, but I think the Just Stop Oil approach is deliberately splitting those two, performing extreme actions to promote a view that is not terribly extreme.

This is consistent with the view of the Overton window that the extremes repel and the moderate attracts.

Compare that to a vegan who doesn't campaign, but silently judges every meat eater as a murderer. If their views were more public, it may drive people the other way.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bawolff wrote: post #402
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #398

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> Both words have identical meanings Only online. The Viet Cong weren’t targeting civilians. They hit American soldiers . Targeting military and narrow political power are the hallmark of proper rebellions. Targeting civilians is how terrorism works. The closest analog to terrorism in warfare is actually strategic air campaigns. Dresden and the London Blitz are closer to terrorism than e.g. the uprising in Bangladesh…

Generally speaking, people do not use the word terrorism or freedom fighter to describe the actions of a state actor during open war.

> people do not use the word terrorism or freedom fighter to describe the actions of a state actor during open war

People also don’t use the term to relate to rebellions. It’s more an internet meme or cases where like a few people call e.g. Russia a terrorist state by analogy. Freedom fighters fighting rebellion tend to work to keep civilians on their side. When they don’t, they become terrorists and tend to lose.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

inigyou wrote: post #415
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #351

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> hard to say for sure I don’t think it is. Healthcare prices are widely tracked. They’ve been rising faster than inflation for years. I have seen zero evidence that trend even temporarily abated after Luigi.

my bad, it was actually denial rates that improved

Do you have a source for that? Curious to see if total payouts went down, or if providers became less aggressive.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by tim-tday »

anfogoat wrote: post #231
Quothling wrote: post #22

I'm Danish and lars kragh andersen is a bit of a grey zone. He obviously goes over the line, he tried to put GPS trackers on the cars of ministers. He "stalks" their families, and dox their children online. He gave an interview on how he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed when he was a cop because he doesn't agree with the "war on drugs". On the flip-side, he's sort of right. I assume that putting a GPS tra…

This is interesting and all but is ultimately just an aside. Are the law enforcement actions on display here legal in Denmark? If not, surely there's prison sentences in store for anyone involved. Right?

lol. No. If anything there would be a minor slap on the wrist for violating procedure. I sincerely doubt the police will get in any trouble for what they did.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by tim-tday »

monegator wrote: post #118
Quothling wrote: post #22

I'm Danish and lars kragh andersen is a bit of a grey zone. He obviously goes over the line, he tried to put GPS trackers on the cars of ministers. He "stalks" their families, and dox their children online. He gave an interview on how he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed when he was a cop because he doesn't agree with the "war on drugs". On the flip-side, he's sort of right. I assume that putting a GPS tra…

> He goes way too far though that's what activist have to do to shake people

Going too far turns me against you. The more righteous your cause the more pissed off I am at you when you’re excess discredits it.
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