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U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by chimprich »

port11 wrote: post #288
benzible wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't assume that this is about cost cutting. If the goal were saving money, the cheapest option by far would be to leave the hardware in the water and just stop funding the monitoring. Instead the plan is an expensive operation to send ships out to extract 900+ instruments from under two miles of ocean. It's clear that this is driven by performative climate denialism and a pro fossil fuel stance. The Trump admi…

But… why? Climate change is very much real and even stubborn deep-right voters like my father now ‘believe’ in it. Ok, some people make some cash. But wouldn’t they anyway? I don’t understand this need to keep pandering to a minority and to destroy ecosystems.

I don't think Trump or any of his appointed lieutenants think any of this through. It's the result of decisions made by emotion, not logic. "Vibe-governing" in other words.

Climate change, and science in general, is associated with nerds, boring reality, obstacles to immediate gratification, and effects on poor people.

Fossil fuels are associated with large wads of cash, action films, and sticking it to the libs.

Decisions might have terrible consequences. Who cares? Thinking things through is boring, and the people making the decisions are rich enough to be insulated from anything that might happen and old enough to not be around when it does.

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Post by margalabargala »

mjanx123 wrote: post #286
margalabargala wrote: post #276

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A change that is going to creep in over decades, known about ahead of time, is not a crisis and not a reason to panic. You can still today buy lands that are going to be submerged under the sea and make net profit before that happens.

Disagree.

A self-inflicted situation that is preventable and gets increasingly bad over time with no limit to how bad it can get, is a crisis.

We're already today experiencing some consequences of that. They're going to get worse, not better. The easiest time to prevent the amount of worse they could get, is to act now.

That's why it's a crisis. We are today creating our situation 20 years in the future, which currently looks bleak.

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Post by yifanl »

roenxi wrote: post #375
vel0city wrote: post #368

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You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about if you don't know anything about rolling coal and you don't realize people like to drive loud cars. I've had several friends tell me they just couldn't drive an EV because it just doesn't have a soul, meaning it doesn't have that roar for its performance. It being nearly silent as it accelerates hard is missing half the point. It's a common thing among car enthusi…

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Feelings don't care about your facts. It's far cheaper to be vegetarian than not, how many vegetarians do you know?

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Post by dnautics »

wildzzz wrote: post #153
dnautics wrote: post #64

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It's arguably not particularly inconvenient for the us political class? the us has been on a tear reducing per capita ghg emissions (also trade corrected ghg emissions). this has been going on for five decades now (consistently 2.5) independent of whether administrations or congress have been red or blue iiuc us per capita emissions are not far from 1910s levels

I don't trust the trade corrected numbers, China uses a ton of coal still and is ever increasing in their manufacturing of good sent to the US. The number for the US has mostly gone down due to switching to natural gas from coal.

> ever increasing in their manufacturing of good sent to the US.

no, factories are closing and workers are protesting due to factory shutdowns in china. if you go to target, most things are made in bangladesh, pakistan India, maylaysia, thailand, vietnam where before they'd all be from china. also us consumption generally is decreasing, and anyways, transportation and direct energy was always the biggest contributor.

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Post by eudamoniac »

deadbolt wrote: post #413

Those who voted for this: are you happy here?

No, climate is perhaps my least aligned issue with this administration. I may end up voting Democrats next time, we'll have to see how bad their platform is again. I just wish I could vote to protect our climate and our borders at once.

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Post by triceratops »

port11 wrote: post #288
benzible wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't assume that this is about cost cutting. If the goal were saving money, the cheapest option by far would be to leave the hardware in the water and just stop funding the monitoring. Instead the plan is an expensive operation to send ships out to extract 900+ instruments from under two miles of ocean. It's clear that this is driven by performative climate denialism and a pro fossil fuel stance. The Trump admi…

But… why? Climate change is very much real and even stubborn deep-right voters like my father now ‘believe’ in it. Ok, some people make some cash. But wouldn’t they anyway? I don’t understand this need to keep pandering to a minority and to destroy ecosystems.

> even stubborn deep-right voters like my father now ‘believe’ in it

I don't believe that, sorry. I mean I believe you that your father says so. But I don't think that holds for most right voters.

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Post by UncleMeat »

port11 wrote: post #288
benzible wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't assume that this is about cost cutting. If the goal were saving money, the cheapest option by far would be to leave the hardware in the water and just stop funding the monitoring. Instead the plan is an expensive operation to send ships out to extract 900+ instruments from under two miles of ocean. It's clear that this is driven by performative climate denialism and a pro fossil fuel stance. The Trump admi…

But… why? Climate change is very much real and even stubborn deep-right voters like my father now ‘believe’ in it. Ok, some people make some cash. But wouldn’t they anyway? I don’t understand this need to keep pandering to a minority and to destroy ecosystems.

The entire motivation of Trump and the MAGA movement is "fuck you, libs." The left likes green energy and scientific research performed on the environment so the right hates that stuff even if their actions also hurt themselves.

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Post by triceratops »

x-complexity wrote: post #198
iqp wrote: post #110

10 years from now: Climate Activist: The oceans are getting warmer & global currents are threatened by imminent collapse - we must do something! Big Oil: Prove it! Climate Activist: Data gathered between 2016 and 2026 shows ... Big Oil: That's old news! Do you have more recent data? Climate Activist: Well, no, because Trump2 dismantled the ocean observation system in 2026 ... Big Oil: So you have no data to back up y…

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As TFA shows they're having plenty of trouble.
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